MT Large Luxury SUV test: LX570, Escalade, GL450, Range Rover, QX80, Navi
05-15-15, 03:28 PM
#46
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by spwolf
it is pretty mediocre vehicle with bad quality (fit/finish, materials and reliability) and highest price. There is no way they could have scored it better than 4th.
Yes, it looks great but thats not enough for magazine doing comparos to it well.
Yes, it looks great but thats not enough for magazine doing comparos to it well.
There's no question, though...........the Escalade deserved to win the test. It is, hands-down, the best one for day-to-day use....and, of course, if desired, it is available (as is also the Navigator) in the even larger ESV size, comparable in length to a Suburban or Yukon XL.
05-15-15, 05:44 PM
#47
Yes I am serious. Its better than nothing and at least Lexus did something to the 4.6 to find some extra HP.
Lexus/Toyota has not done anything to the 3.5 for 11 MY years the Tacoma 4.0 for 11 MY years, the 2.5V6 for 10 MY years and I could go on. Its unacceptable IMO.
The LX is a really dated machine that should of been upgraded a long long time ago.
Lexus/Toyota has not done anything to the 3.5 for 11 MY years the Tacoma 4.0 for 11 MY years, the 2.5V6 for 10 MY years and I could go on. Its unacceptable IMO.
The LX is a really dated machine that should of been upgraded a long long time ago.
but if you call the gs350 from 303 to 306hp, and the ls460 from 380 to 386hp an update, that's probably one of the most ridiculous things to say. just engine variations and other factors alone would yield these. it's nothing more than a meaningless paper statement. but looks like you are buying into it
05-15-15, 05:49 PM
#48
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by rominl
but if you call the gs350 from 303 to 306hp, and the ls460 from 380 to 386hp an update, that's probably one of the most ridiculous things to say. just engine variations and other factors alone would yield these. it's nothing more than a meaningless paper statement. but looks like you are buying into it
And, not only that, but minor production tolerances in the transmission, drive line, and differentials can also determine just how much of that HP/Torque reaches the drive-wheels.
05-15-15, 07:40 PM
#49
Instructor
I dont know why people keep on saying that the Range Rover is good looking and luxurious? To me every model in Land Rovers lineup all look the same to me. Its just not my taste. I would never buy one even if they somehow made it reliable. And the interior to me looks kinda bland. I think Mecedes Interiors notably the S class and C class look way better. Even porshe makes better interiors. RR interior is boring to me.
05-15-15, 09:35 PM
#50
I dont know why people keep on saying that the Range Rover is good looking and luxurious? To me every model in Land Rovers lineup all look the same to me. Its just not my taste. I would never buy one even if they somehow made it reliable. And the interior to me looks kinda bland. I think Mecedes Interiors notably the S class and C class look way better. Even porshe makes better interiors. RR interior is boring to me.
but then it's all subjective, if they sell then probably there is something people like about
05-15-15, 09:40 PM
#51
Lexus Fanatic
The RR is also clearly the best off-road, but, of course, that only covers about 5% or so of actual SUV use.
There's no question, though...........the Escalade deserved to win the test. It is, hands-down, the best one for day-to-day use....and, of course, if desired, it is available (as is also the Navigator) in the even larger ESV size, comparable in length to a Suburban or Yukon XL.
There's no question, though...........the Escalade deserved to win the test. It is, hands-down, the best one for day-to-day use....and, of course, if desired, it is available (as is also the Navigator) in the even larger ESV size, comparable in length to a Suburban or Yukon XL.
05-15-15, 09:44 PM
#52
Lexus Fanatic
i don't deny that some of the engines could have used updates for a while
but if you call the gs350 from 303 to 306hp, and the ls460 from 380 to 386hp an update, that's probably one of the most ridiculous things to say. just engine variations and other factors alone would yield these. it's nothing more than a meaningless paper statement. but looks like you are buying into it
but if you call the gs350 from 303 to 306hp, and the ls460 from 380 to 386hp an update, that's probably one of the most ridiculous things to say. just engine variations and other factors alone would yield these. it's nothing more than a meaningless paper statement. but looks like you are buying into it
Perhaps the LX could of done something? Anything? To the 5.7...
05-15-15, 09:46 PM
#53
Lexus Fanatic
The CT should have it. Does the Prius have it? As for the LX, totally inappropriate I agree
05-15-15, 10:31 PM
#54
Lexus Test Driver
fact state that outside the looks, it is pretty mediocre vehicle with bad quality (fit/finish, materials and reliability) and highest price. There is no way they could have scored it better than 4th.
Yes, it looks great but thats not enough for magazine doing comparos to it well.
Yes, it looks great but thats not enough for magazine doing comparos to it well.
05-16-15, 03:24 AM
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Funny thing about the RR is it has one of the highest repeat buyer percentages in the industry and one of the highest annual income of buyers -- check automotive news. This is why Bentley, Lamboand Rolls, etc. are trying to get into this market.
I'm a repeat buyer (not lessor) and wouldn't hesitate to buy again. Now driving the 2011 out of warranty with no issues similar to (previous ones). Fact remains that there is less than one problem between the first and last place manufacturers in the JD Power dependability study. In the 90s the ratio was around 4 or 5.
It's also telling that for years the RR has single handily outsold the land Cruiser/LX470 twins and the G class combined in the U.S even though the Land Cruiser/LX470 twins are supposedly reliability wonders of the eight world...hmmm
I'm a repeat buyer (not lessor) and wouldn't hesitate to buy again. Now driving the 2011 out of warranty with no issues similar to (previous ones). Fact remains that there is less than one problem between the first and last place manufacturers in the JD Power dependability study. In the 90s the ratio was around 4 or 5.
It's also telling that for years the RR has single handily outsold the land Cruiser/LX470 twins and the G class combined in the U.S even though the Land Cruiser/LX470 twins are supposedly reliability wonders of the eight world...hmmm
05-16-15, 08:03 AM
#56
Lead Lap
If you're saying the RR is dying a slow death, you couldn't be more wrong. They can't keep them in stock. Honestly, it's crazy there's still waiting lists for them.
05-16-15, 08:05 AM
#57
Lexus Test Driver
Hold on KWR. From appearances and with no other metric I've observed a local mechanic shop that repairs all the top British, German and Italian wonder cars & SUVs. By a 3-1 margin I see RR in the front parking lot to either waiting to be repaired or finished being repaired. Now I KNOW that's not a sound way to judge a vehicle but that always made me wonder. If I were a betting man I'd give a few more chips to Lexus than RR.
05-16-15, 08:08 AM
#58
Lexus Test Driver
No, no, no. I was referring to the LX. I SEE RR all over the place. With their recent mini/medium SUV they seem to have a hit on their hands.
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05-16-15, 10:09 AM
#59
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