Toyota and Lexus announce prices for Toyota/Lexus Safety System
03-30-15, 06:32 PM
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Toyota announced new Corolla variants in Japan, which have simplest version of this system:
reason I am posting is that it is nothing like anything Toyota had before, so it is interesting... and this is version with least amount of sensors.
reason I am posting is that it is nothing like anything Toyota had before, so it is interesting... and this is version with least amount of sensors.
03-30-15, 06:46 PM
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Sorry, I dont believe they are the same system. There is a reason why they have two names. As I said before, CPA(or now CPA+) is only for low speed auto braking. Pre Safe Brake is for higher speeds and more active braking
From the MB headquarters website regarding CPA+:
"In addition, automatic partial braking is even initiated in the event of an imminent collision. The system is active in moving vehicles at speeds up to 105 km/h and in the case of stationary obstacles up to 70 km/h."
OTOH, Pre safe brake uses a stereo camera and from the same website:
"This system provides a visual and acoustic warning in the event of an imminent collision and brakes your vehicle in an emergency automatically to a stop"
Now, doesn't that sound like CPA+ is a weaker system that is standard across the lineup, and that it will only do "partial" braking? and the Pre safe brake will do full braking? and from my earlier post, will do so up to 200kph
There is no need to get the car retested as the test points out the vehicle is only equipped with CPA+ as standard equipment and not the optional Pre Safe.
From the MB headquarters website regarding CPA+:
"In addition, automatic partial braking is even initiated in the event of an imminent collision. The system is active in moving vehicles at speeds up to 105 km/h and in the case of stationary obstacles up to 70 km/h."
OTOH, Pre safe brake uses a stereo camera and from the same website:
"This system provides a visual and acoustic warning in the event of an imminent collision and brakes your vehicle in an emergency automatically to a stop"
Now, doesn't that sound like CPA+ is a weaker system that is standard across the lineup, and that it will only do "partial" braking? and the Pre safe brake will do full braking? and from my earlier post, will do so up to 200kph
There is no need to get the car retested as the test points out the vehicle is only equipped with CPA+ as standard equipment and not the optional Pre Safe.
In the meantime, I will happily state that Lexus system is likely to be far superior due to performance of current system at the speeds above 55kmh compared to MB, as well as higher operating range for pedestrian system (and while we are at it, maximum speed not just 200kmh in d+ version).
And all that while being 5x cheaper to boot
03-30-15, 07:08 PM
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More info from AB:
So 5 Lexus models by end of the 2015.
DFP also said that it will come to Avalon, Rav4 and RX first, so lets add Avalon and Rav4 to the mix as well.
Lexus' LSS+ will come first on the new RX then spread to four more models by the end of this year
DFP also said that it will come to Avalon, Rav4 and RX first, so lets add Avalon and Rav4 to the mix as well.
03-30-15, 09:10 PM
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Also while not available in the US, MB's new auto highbeams take into account navigation data to increase light output and wide angle when at turn circles, turns the lens *before* a turning of the steering wheel at the bend, also at various speeds alters light output on highways. It sounds like the Lexus system simply switches from high to low in a drastic change, which I already have on my 2011 RX, 4 years ago. German systems actually calculate distance and varies the beam to carve out a black spot for the oncoming vehicle but keeps light output at a maximum level
http://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/detail/4228499/
The LS' system from 2006 (Advanced PCS) included rear millimetre-wave radar for rear collision detection (and will activate the front headrests by moving them closer to the head), PCS will stiffen the suspension (if equipped with air suspension), quicken the VGRS, prime the brakes (of course), close the moonroof and windows. The Driver Attention Monitor also scans your face to alert you if it sees that you're not noticing the object ahead.
I think what spwolf is trying to say is that Toyota is able to offer these 4 things (PCS, DRCC, LDA or LDA+LKA and AHB) for a cost that's peanuts compared to its competitors. The cheapest package (TSS-C) only costs US$300 (either standard or optional) and the Lexus version costs $695. This is comparison to current or previous generation Toyota/Lexus vehicles that offered PCS/DRCC for $2,000, never mind LKA & AHB. The 2010 Prius' AT package cost $4,500, of which $1,500 was the nav/backup camera/BT streaming audio. The other $3,000 is for the PCS, DRCC, LKA and IPA.
Edit: In addition, offering PCS/DRCC as a $2,000 option in a Corolla is silly. Practically no one will take it. However, offer it as standard on the LE and increase the price by $300, that's a different story.
03-30-15, 09:15 PM
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^^ yes like that, except the 695 package makes no reference to that type of auto highbeam technology.
I agree it is amazing that those system can be had for under $700 seeing as how I paid $1500 for a weaker pre collision system and radar CC just 4 years ago. However, he also said it was superior and that is where we got hung up on
I agree it is amazing that those system can be had for under $700 seeing as how I paid $1500 for a weaker pre collision system and radar CC just 4 years ago. However, he also said it was superior and that is where we got hung up on
03-30-15, 09:29 PM
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^^ yes like that, except the 695 package makes no reference to that type of auto highbeam technology.
I agree it is amazing that those system can be had for under $700 seeing as how I paid $1500 for a weaker pre collision system and radar CC just 4 years ago. However, he also said it was superior and that is where we got hung up on
I agree it is amazing that those system can be had for under $700 seeing as how I paid $1500 for a weaker pre collision system and radar CC just 4 years ago. However, he also said it was superior and that is where we got hung up on
Yup. Mine doesn't completely stop to avoid the crash, it only mitigates it by reducing the impact speed so either way, I'll have an expensive radar to replace if anything happens up front. Also, my PCS has an upper speed range that I can't remember (it's faster than I would ever travel and close to the Prius' top speed anyway lol). The Lexus and TSS-P versions work up to the vehicle's top speed which is different.
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03-30-15, 09:41 PM
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it's awesome toyota's looking to mainstream all the safety tech. it's going to be disruptive though in making some models look stupidly priced.
for example, the current gx, it's order only to get radar cruise, etc. and it costs a bundle extra.
for example, the current gx, it's order only to get radar cruise, etc. and it costs a bundle extra.
03-30-15, 09:45 PM
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well, this will be a huge improvement in availability either way. When I was shopping for my RX, its as a special order option only. Hopefully they will keep these as stand alone options, though that seems unlikely for toyota/lexus.
03-31-15, 07:05 AM
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So it is coming to another 4 Lexus models after RX. Can we say those models would be refreshed then? GS, ES, LX? Maybe they are counting the new LS or an IS refresh? But I guess it would be too soon for an IS refresh.
03-31-15, 10:16 AM
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The system debuted on the Japanese market Corolla Fielder and Corolla Axio models.
http://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/detail/7349179/
http://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/detail/7349179/
03-31-15, 01:18 PM
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yes, 5 models total in this year... I would guess RX, GS, ES, LX and IS. If thats how they count models... they could count GS-F as a separate model.
