What will Clarkson think of the RC F? Thoughts?
03-03-15, 03:18 AM
#77
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Aluminium panels themselves wont save much weight. Its the frame, welding, reinforcements, internal components and interior that weight tons. With just a battery switch you could save as much as having some aluminum panels like doors.
03-03-15, 06:19 AM
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I won't be surprised if Clarkson won't even review the GSF.
03-03-15, 06:25 AM
#79
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Originally Posted by SNiiP3R
I won't be surprised if Clarkson won't even review the GSF.
03-03-15, 06:25 AM
#80
And faster...check the PCOTY test results done by Road & Track.
Who the heck cares about the weight with this kind of performance and reliability. If you want a track machine for more than 2 days per year, pass on both the RCF and M4 and go by a stripped Cayman S--no AC, door handles, etc.
Who the heck cares about the weight with this kind of performance and reliability. If you want a track machine for more than 2 days per year, pass on both the RCF and M4 and go by a stripped Cayman S--no AC, door handles, etc.
03-03-15, 06:27 AM
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watched clarkson's review. it was dead on. he LOVES the LFA for so many reasons (it's "out of this world"). he didn't expect the RC-F to be the same (obviously way less expensive) but he feels it didn't bring across much of any of the qualities (true) so he's very disappointed. i think that's a sentiment shared by many.
03-03-15, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i still can't believe the rc f is heavier than a mustang gt.
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03-03-15, 07:13 AM
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I still think the ISF was a much better effort from Lexus.
How is the RCF heavier than the ISF anyway?
I always thought the purpose of a "sports coupe" was that they generally are lighter and more agile than their sedan counterparts?
Anyhow, the ISF is what I'd call "refined muscle", it has the acceleration & fun when you want it, but it also has the typical Lexus refinement when you're out n about. Not to mention the practicality of 4 doors and a nice, plush interior.
Unfortunately for the RCF it delivers on none of those fronts.
Also, although a minor complaint, but why couldn't Lexus just use the more ovular exhaust outlets of the ISF for the RCF?
Instead of the strange & silly looking circle ones lol ?
ISF exhaust;
RCF;
How is the RCF heavier than the ISF anyway?
I always thought the purpose of a "sports coupe" was that they generally are lighter and more agile than their sedan counterparts?
Anyhow, the ISF is what I'd call "refined muscle", it has the acceleration & fun when you want it, but it also has the typical Lexus refinement when you're out n about. Not to mention the practicality of 4 doors and a nice, plush interior.
Unfortunately for the RCF it delivers on none of those fronts.
Also, although a minor complaint, but why couldn't Lexus just use the more ovular exhaust outlets of the ISF for the RCF?
Instead of the strange & silly looking circle ones lol ?
ISF exhaust;
RCF;
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03-03-15, 08:39 AM
#84
its the same size as an ISF, stiffer chassis, bigger wheels, wider tires, more features, retractable spoiler. It cannot weigh less. A GSF will not be any faster: same weight, higher CoG, longer wheelbase, less rigid chassis.
youre complaining the RCF doesnt have 4 doors, its a coupe. Go look at a GSF. Like complaining a Mustang GT doesnt have 4 door practicality.
youre complaining the RCF doesnt have 4 doors, its a coupe. Go look at a GSF. Like complaining a Mustang GT doesnt have 4 door practicality.
03-03-15, 11:59 AM
#85
RC350
184.8 IN LENGTH
72.4 IN WIDTH
54.9 IN HEIGHT
107.5 IN WHEELBASE
CURB WEIGHT 3,748 lb
4GS GS350
190.7 IN LENGTH
72.4 IN WIDTH
57.3 IN HEIGHT
112.2 IN WHEELBASE
CURB WEIGHT 3,726 lb
3IS IS350
183.7 IN LENGTH
71.3 IN WIDTH
56.3 IN HEIGHT
110.2 IN WHEELBASE
CURB WEIGHT 3,593 lb
2IS IS350
180.1 IN LENGTH
70.9 IN WIDTH
56.1 IN HEIGHT
107.5 IN WHEELBASE
CURB WEIGHT 3,527 lb
Just add an extra 200-250 lbs for the equivalent "F" model.
03-04-15, 12:22 AM
#86
it's ok to accept the fact that the rcf is heavier than what it should have been because of the chassis design limitation
03-04-15, 06:27 AM
#87
i surely hope you are not serious about what have just said. that's what technology is about.. the 4gs has stiffer chassis, bigger wheels, and tons more features too. isn't that the car is pretty light and not much heavier than the 3gs, if at all.
it's ok to accept the fact that the rcf is heavier than what it should have been because of the chassis design limitation
it's ok to accept the fact that the rcf is heavier than what it should have been because of the chassis design limitation
03-04-15, 08:28 AM
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exactly. high strength steel, careful redesign of support points, lighter wheels, lighter seats (seats in luxury cars weigh a BUNCH), aluminum panels (roof, hood, etc.), and so on. it can be done. if the company cares.
03-04-15, 08:44 AM
#89
"Problem" is that they based RC on GS, even more so than regular IS.
At least thats the problem when it comes to straightline performance, as many reviews state that cornering is pretty darn good in any case.
But some people here are purposely ignoring all the good reviews and focusing only on bad ones.
IS, GS and RC are based on same platform. There is nothing that Lexus could have done to make RC-F lighter except to strip it out like M4 is (for instance by removing a lot of sound deadening and rest of the "luxurios" bits) and simply not include things like TVD since it weights 70lbs itself.
But what would that accomplish when RC-F apperantly handles great, despite the added weight, which includes 70lbs of TVD too.
03-04-15, 10:49 AM
#90
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IS, GS and RC are based on same platform. There is nothing that Lexus could have done to make RC-F lighter except to strip it out like M4 is (for instance by removing a lot of sound deadening and rest of the "luxurios" bits) and simply not include things like TVD since it weights 70lbs itself.
But what would that accomplish when RC-F apperantly handles great, despite the added weight, which includes 70lbs of TVD too.
I personally don't care for a convertible if they could have made the RC F a little lighter ......