John Coyle

Just posted it on the blog. The link won't embed in the forum.

Check it out.

pman6

watching that vid, you can sense how nose heavy the thing is. It doesn't move around as gracefully as an m4

natnut

Oh really?

Must explain why their track times are statistically the same.

This is an example of the M4 being graceful and easy to handle :


Such GRACE!

TRACKMKIII

Lol that was funny!

dseag2

But it SOUNDS great while running off the road!

pman6

track times are the same because the m4 wastes time during oversteer.
But the nose doesn't dive

that driver is the exception. Nose is so light that it flies through the air.

Nights

But I thought having a twitchy rear end was a good thing! Go go power oversteer

PhilipMSPT

iTrader: (5)

Drifting surely is a positive for ToMoCo...

natnut

My point is :

if the M4 has such a twitchy rear end that it can go into an uncontrolled oversteer on a straight road, imagine how much of a nightmare to handle it would be on a racetrack?

My contention is that in the hands of a non-professional non-race car driver, an RCF would make a better track car than an M4.

Fewer crashes from uncontrolled oversteer, more time enjoying cutting the apex than worrying about how your rear end might suddenly overtake your front,cause you to crash and make your wife a widow.

spwolf

actually it shows how hard M4 is to drive fast... if you think thats good, thats great. But anyway, it is a fact that for same track times, you have to work a LOT hard in M4 than in RC-F.

Vladi

M3 turned into AMGs of a last generation which were torque monsters with absolutely no way of utilizing that torque properly and to its capacity. C-AMG drove just like E-AMG which itself didn't drive anything spectacular except in the straight line. Whole that AMG sedan thing was overrated, true they were the fast cars but good cars to drive absolutely not. Im glad they switched to AWD finally, I didn't drive em but they can only drive better now.

Even Black Series was really a bad drive. Like a sports car for the street but not really, something weird in between but my god that butt wanted to sway no matter what.

Oversteer is not my thing. I like when car oozes confidence when you drive it hard and keeps its composure. If the car twitches I twitch two times more, don't like that feeling at all. That's also how every M5 to date was tuned, they knew they couldn't make it into a larger M3 so they made it skid just a little bit in every turn to inject that "ooohm its a sports car" in your head while it was just a loose traction control.

John Coyle

Ha ha! As graceful as a swan.

4TehNguyen

iTrader: (1)

the M4 guy also drove around with is traction control off. TC being on wouldve prevented a spin like that by cutting power early

pman6

I don't think any pros complained about how hard it is to drive. They actually enjoyed the oversteer and drifting

I'm surprised the weight distro is actually 55/45 compared to 52/48 for the M4. But the RCF is much heavier, and that must be why it dives and moves like a yacht.

natnut

A yacht that doesn't go into uncontrolled oversteer on a straight road like the "graceful" M4. That despite being "heavier" and "diving" is practically as fast as the M4 on the Motortrend test track.

People mistake lairy and exhausting as better handling. A smart driver knows that the best handling car is one that is forgiving yet allows the driver to be consistently fast over multiple laps. An M4 driver will soon be exhausted/fatigued trying to keep his car from spinning out after a few laps.

When driver fatigue sets in (much sooner for the M4 driver I suspect), let's see if he can maintain that fraction of a second lap advantage over the RCF driver.