Mr Bond

M5 F10 will probably be out of production by the time the GS-F is available. The M5 G30 will based on a light weight chassi ( at least 180 kg lighter ) and have the same kind of hp output, or more + AWD option. The only reason to buy a M5 F10 after this summer/fall is if you get a really good deal.

bitkahuna

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ALL these kinds of cars rarely see use of anywhere near their capabilities. sure a traffic light blast or a quick pass on the highway, or for those with nice curvy country roads or mountains it's awesome until the cops shut it down.

these kind of cars ARE a lot about feeling good AND impressing others. no different than a fancy house, jewelry, etc.

spwolf

M5 G30 is coming in 2017... same time when new GS should be introduced. I am sure GS will lose 200kg and gain twin turbo engine too.

Gojirra99

And I am not sure at all that the 4GS F will lose weight and gain turbo engine , it might happen IF there will be a 5GS F ...

Blackraven

If I had money I would get both the Lexus and the BMW.

But personally, I still prefer the M5 F10.

M5 (F10) with Competition Package with:
-M Drivers Package increased speed limiter 305 km/h (7ME)
-Carbon Ceramic Brakes (2NK)
-BMW Akrapovic M Performance Exhaust System


The only car that comes close are the Audi RS6/RS7 and the Jaguar XF-RS. Perhaps the new Cadillac CTS-V might join it as well. The MB E63 S AMG 4 MATIC comes close.....but interior looks a bit dated.

So personally imho, unless something better comes along, the BMW M5 F10 is still the performance benchmark in this class.

Ask Batman (stealth.pilot) why he got a second BMW M5.

P.S.
On another note, why are there some people here that hate on BMW?

Sure I know this is a Lexus fan site but imho, we should be open to other car brands as well.

spwolf

it certainly wont... but 5GS will release around 2017.

bitkahuna

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does that mean this gs-f will only be a 'current' model for about a year?

spwolf

2 years at least? Maybe 2.5 years.

I would not be surprised if 5GS gets GS-F version before at the same time it is introduced... like what RC-F did.

RNM GS3

Considering the 4GS has not even gone through a refresh, the 5 gen GS is YEARS AWAY.

There is no guarantee a GSF will even be available for next generation.
Look what happened to ISF and LFA.

Lexus should copy BMW and how they stagger new model introductions and updates during each generation in addition to when M versions are released.....

spwolf

GS-F is showing GS refresh... by the time GS-F goes on sale, GS will be refreshed. So before end of the year.

I doubt Lexus will stagger anything... I think they did far better with RC-F which was available before standard RC in many countries worldwide.

rominl

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i can't wait to see 5gs shedding 200lb off the current 4gs

spwolf

GS is already pretty light but It could be done for sure.

rominl

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i am sure it can be done, lfa shed 220 lbs moving from pure aluminum to 65% cf. i would love to see how lexus achieve that at an affordable price point, that would be huge. lexus always emphasize on weight and i am always keeping an eye on their effort. a 3400lb gs, imagine that

spwolf

we are not seeing them doing mass cf yet... but moving to have more of GS made from aluminium? Like doors? Plus maybe some other savings in new platform?

I could see that being 100-150lbs less, but what if they "spend" it on turbo engine? :-).

Like Jag and their new aluminium heavy platorm, which is supposedly very light but end result - XE and XF are not much lighter than competition due to them spending that weight saved to implement more sophisticated suspension and what not.

rominl

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yes, that's exactly what i mean, it's doable and it will be huge imho