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I have no problem with the RC F V8 being shared with the GS F. The E60 M5 and the M6 for that matter shared a 5.0L V10 and even current M's in higher standing than the 3/4 all use a hopped up 4.4L unit. Benz does it, Audi does it. If the GS F was FI then it'd be a different story. As this is NA it's no surprise that its lower hp and likely price too. The GS F is not a numbers car it is a drivers car. Interwebs need to understand this. Lexus needs to make another ride and drive event to quell the naysayers.
They share the same engine because one is a coupe and the other is a sedan in the same class. Unless the RC is in the same class as the GS and not the IS, your argument is flawed. If I'm wrong, please explain it to me.
so i guess i finally got it, the gsf is competing with the m3. maybe topgear is right, and maybe it start to makes more sense to me. i just need to convince myself that the gs350 is competing with 535 but the gsf is competing with the m3.
talking about evolution, i thought the isf engine was derived from the 5.0 used in the ls600hl. didn't really hear that much criticism about that back then.
Ya because it was a new engine back than, today its an old engine. And old engines don't compete to well with new engines.
we understand that alright, but just like you can legitimately say the Porsche Cayman is a more fun/better drivers' car than the 911, the 911 turbo etc., had been routinely compared to the Ferrari 328/348/355/360/430 etc, throughout it's history by the media and be very competitive in every way(including price), you cannot put a Porsche Cayman as is in the 911's place and do the same, it's simply is outclassed in the power department, yes some people can still prefer it's driving dynamics, but it's not a legit competitor to those cars ....
Who said legitimate? Wasn't me lol. Regardless of what people think, its refreshing to know the groundwork has been laid for F GS's. This is a great first effort for the GS line and adding depth to F. Clearly the FI V6 and V8 mills are not ready hence this bridge engine and putting it to good use. No problem with that. Hell if it bothers people that much just rebadge to GS500 F-Sport . The Goods are coming, sit back relax and enjoy the ride
Umm GS350 won comparisons over other 6cyl variants which were not that more powerful.
It lost to Caddy CTS Vsport in MT comparo.
The GSF is SIGNIFICANTLY less powerful than M5, E63, RS7 and CTS-V.
It should be better than 550i overall but i doubt it will be faster.
If being faster and having more power is all that matters, then theyre all losing to the charger hellcat. The M5, E63, XFR etc. are SIGNIFICANTLY less powerfull than it. Does that make them unworthy of their badge? Funny that because it doesnt have 500hp+ it now shouldnt compete with those cars. Thankfully Lexus makes the decisions. The power is adequate. 550-600hp is for bragging imo.
If being faster and having more power is all that matters, then theyre all losing to the charger hellcat. The M5, E63, XFR etc. are SIGNIFICANTLY less powerfull than it. Does that make them unworthy of their badge? Funny that because it doesnt have 500hp+ it now shouldnt compete with those cars. Thankfully Lexus makes the decisions. The power is adequate. 550-600hp is for bragging imo.
Anyone paying around 100K for a car should have bragging right IMO.
Who said legitimate? Wasn't me lol. Regardless of what people think, its refreshing to know the groundwork has been laid for F GS's. This is a great first effort for the GS line and adding depth to F. Clearly the FI V6 and V8 mills are not ready hence this bridge engine and putting it to good use. No problem with that. Hell if it bothers people that much just rebadge to GS500 F-Sport . The Goods are coming, sit back relax and enjoy the ride
This is how Lexus sees their Flagship competing against the competition, the just lowers expectations of future cars as this is what they think is good enough.
If this was Hyundais answer to the M5 we would all be laughing at how underpowered it is and they aren't close enough to compete with the segment leaders, but this is a Lexus that is no where close to the competition.
Doesn't look like Lexus want to move upmarket at all, and still wants to be a value Luxury brand that is slightly higher than Acura and not in the same level as the Germans
so i guess i finally got it, the gsf is competing with the m3. maybe topgear is right, and maybe it start to makes more sense to me. i just need to convince myself that the gs350 is competing with 535 but the gsf is competing with the m3.
i really don't think lexus considers what it's 'competing with' that much. they're extending the gs line-up to have a higher performance model which i expect they believe will add appeal and sales to the whole line.
if lexus REALLY wants to compete with an m5 it will have to drop the LFA v10 in the GS, and yeah it will cost $125-$150 but then we will all go WOW.
i really don't think lexus considers what it's 'competing with' that much. they're extending the gs line-up to have a higher performance model which i expect they believe will add appeal and sales to the whole line.
if lexus REALLY wants to compete with an m5 it will have to drop the LFA v10 in the GS, and yeah it will cost $125-$150 but then we will all go WOW.
Don't think it will cost that much, even previous M5 has a V10 and it's a $100k car, plus they can go with a larger NA V8 and still keep a fully loaded 500hp+ car just under $100k had they so desired .... but obviously they don't .....
i really don't think lexus considers what it's 'competing with' that much. they're extending the gs line-up to have a higher performance model which i expect they believe will add appeal and sales to the whole line.
if lexus REALLY wants to compete with an m5 it will have to drop the LFA v10 in the GS, and yeah it will cost $125-$150 but then we will all go WOW.
Pretty much doubt the V10 in the LFA will be competitive with 550hp. It takes the LFA 3.7 secs 0-60. Imagine strapping 400 to 500 extra lbs to that engine? Plus I doubt the engine will rev as freely with all that extra mass strapped to it and with most of its torque high up in the RPM. Sure it will sound hella wicked, but its better suited for a much lighter car.
Ya because it was a new engine back than, today its an old engine. And old engines don't compete to well with new engines.
nop i am not trying to compare it to new engine.
i am saying people keep saying m3/m4 is just the "same" 335/435 engine on steroid. the isf engine was basically the 5.0l from ls600hl on steroid too. talk "new"? the v10 in m5, new, the v10 in lfa, new. the 6.2l amg, i consider that new
keep in mind i am not praising the m4 at all, i am not a big fan of the engine setup fwiw
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i really don't think lexus considers what it's 'competing with' that much. they're extending the gs line-up to have a higher performance model which i expect they believe will add appeal and sales to the whole line.
if lexus REALLY wants to compete with an m5 it will have to drop the LFA v10 in the GS, and yeah it will cost $125-$150 but then we will all go WOW.
what makes you think that v10 will work well in the gs? that engine is only 4.8l, it works wonders on a 3200lb car. but on a 4000lb car it might work very different. not to mention its tricky requirement on the engine placement, maybe it makes it not feasible to work on passenger car platform. (i am putting aside the whole "bespoke" part for now)
and the whole competing with part? let's face it. i agree they can say / do whatever they, but sorry the public and press are going to do otherwise. they will compare it to something
lexus said the rcf is all about a car of joy too and m4 not on their radar, i have said about 1000 times before, what car they brought to their own event again? i am interested to find out what cars they bring to their internal gsf training next. hey, maybe they see comments and decide not to bring anything else at all
i am saying people keep saying m3/m4 is just the "same" 335/435 engine on steroid. the isf engine was basically the 5.0l from ls600hl on steroid too. talk "new"? the v10 in m5, new, the v10 in lfa, new. the 6.2l amg, i consider that new
keep in mind i am not praising the m4 at all, i am not a big fan of the engine setup fwiw
what makes you think that v10 will work well in the gs? that engine is only 4.8l, it works wonders on a 3200lb car. but on a 4000lb car it might work very different. not to mention its tricky requirement on the engine placement, maybe it makes it not feasible to work on passenger car platform. (i am putting aside the whole "bespoke" part for now)
and the whole competing with part? let's face it. i agree they can say / do whatever they, but sorry the public and press are going to do otherwise. they will compare it to something
lexus said the rcf is all about a car of joy too and m4 not on their radar, i have said about 1000 times before, what car they brought to their own event again? i am interested to find out what cars they bring to their internal gsf training next. hey, maybe they see comments and decide not to bring anything else at all
They might not even do an event, if we just go off the canceled event in Japan for the RC-F
They might not even do an event, if we just go off the canceled event in Japan for the RC-F
i think they clarified that they canceled only part of the event because the audience were covered in other countries.
but the US events still happen just fine. running of the bull was a lexus internal dealer training and related programs and it went from cities to cities.
what makes you think that v10 will work well in the gs? that engine is only 4.8l, it works wonders on a 3200lb car. but on a 4000lb car it might work very different. not to mention its tricky requirement on the engine placement, maybe it makes it not feasible to work on passenger car platform. (i am putting aside the whole "bespoke" part for now)
Its pretty easy to change gear ratio ( and torque on the wheels as well ) with a engine like that, you have 9000 + rpm to play with. The biggest issue however would be the fuel consumption and exhaust regulations for a 2016 car .GS-F v10 would probably be illegal in most countries.
This is how Lexus sees their Flagship competing against the competition, the just lowers expectations of future cars as this is what they think is good enough.
If this was Hyundais answer to the M5 we would all be laughing at how underpowered it is and they aren't close enough to compete with the segment leaders, but this is a Lexus that is no where close to the competition.
Doesn't look like Lexus want to move upmarket at all, and still wants to be a value Luxury brand that is slightly higher than Acura and not in the same level as the Germans
Clearly the next generation of powertrains are not ready. Would you rather we wait two more years or so before they come out then release a 'proper' GS F? Or better yet utilize a current platform and latest V8 to good use.
5LS on the horizon, refreshed LX, LC500, higher quality materials as of late.. Lexus is elevating as is Cadillac and Jaguar. Lexus had a current V10 supercar, where's BMW's? A 3-Cylinder I8?
01-12-15, 12:51 PM
. The Goods are coming, sit back relax and enjoy the ride 
