S2000toIS350

What surprises me the most here is that they are likely to have the RCF, GSF and then another ISF based on the 2014 cars.

I would think that the GSF and new ISF would have too much overlap.

Lexuslvr91

But what are the torque to weight ratios which are arguably more important for these heigher weight sedans.

pbm317

Hence no IS F.

TangoRed

I keep hearing this from the Lexus apologists but I don't believe it AT ALL. As soon as Lexus is done engineering their eventual bulletproof turbo motor it's probably going to be just as powerful as the German cars. They just don't have anything available in the arsenal right now, point blank- has nothing to do with their "style".

Quite frankly, if you're trying to take the handling angle with this car then I'd be extremely worried about Cadillac's CTS-V. That's virtually guaranteed to bring handling AND power to the market.

natnut

You may be right. I suspect Lexus will debut the GS-FS ( 600+hp beast) soon and they don't want the GSF to step on its toes horsepower wise.

Vladi

There is yet to be car from Toyota that utilizes that CF looming technology. GS-F should have been a perfect model to introduce some serious CF internal parts and reduce the weight to compensate for the engine but since this car will most likely have an MSRP of fully loaded RC-F its good for what it is.

The taillights didn't change the shape so I guess they guy from the previous thread was right how due to the frame construction they cannot change the tailights like they did headlights. Not that it matters cause I think they look gorgeous, not on par with IS which has the best tails on the market but very nice spin and homage to Altezza.

I love the refresh, GS just solidified itself as the best car in Lexus line up.

If we want to nitpick we can say why is there still old remote touch in there.

UnsungF

I agree with this. Perhaps Lexus is creating a slot for another model in the future to be placed above the GS and below the LS. This way, GS and RC could be 3 and 4 series competition and therefore more powerful than its competition. IS then can take the place as a 2 series competition, thereby making an ISF (with a forced induction v6?) viable - without any danger of overlap with the GS.

Diemellz

finally...the v8 has come back too the Gee S...rock voice

rominl

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unless you can show some proofs that people are not cross shopping between is and c, they are simply in the same class of cars from any angle by pretty much every press or authority. styling is only one aspect of it. if we go with your saying, the 3 and c were pretty much never ever competing at all ever (3 was always sporty and c was always on the classy side), which i don't think can possibly be true because i see plenty of people going between the two. people cross shop between is, a4, 3, and c. that's been the case for years, i have to say it's mind blowing to think otherwise.

i never said the gsf not competing with e63 makes it not cool, but i said rcf being cool and gsf sharing the same drive train doesn't automatically make it cool. in fact the gsf being one class higher, that likely discounts the cool factor

my analogy simply applies to any previous generations (even NA) so you don't have to pick tt v6. imagine e9x m3 and e60 m5 both ran the same 4l v8 400hp, yeah, not cool. and yeah, no one would be happy. same with c55 vs e55/63.

lexus leaving a big hole on the 4gs since the beginning is their own problem and they are dealing with it now

i think the problem is that no one really says the car that lexus just announced is bad. in fact i would believe everyone likes it, including me. but the fact that it has the gsf badge is a problem. one can argue all day long, but the truth is most people WILL put this car together with the m5 and e63. that part of the end result won't be very pretty.

yup, you can continue to argue forever how good the car can/will be, but you are already fighting a very tough battle since the beginning. if you can see how much pressure lexus already faced from the beginning even with a competitive product like isf and rcf, and how much lexus had to prove with the lfa that it's in the game, imagine the road ahead on the gsf.

trying to convince others that lexus is doing their own thing is not an easy path. just ask all the rcf bunch who swear the car is on its own and now fighting every battle to try get wins over the m4. even lexus on their own website tries to say the rcf is better car over the m4, and their own training / dealer event has the m4 running with rcf. all that with lexus initially saying out loud that m4 was not their target.

looking at it from another angle? let's see what cars lexus put together for their own comparison and private events, that would be very interesting. if it's m5 and e63, it probably won't be too pretty but proves my point. if it's 550i, i think the gsf will win so well and again it proves my point. but there are always chances that lexus just put gsf there with no other cars around

cino

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ATS-V will crush it over and over again in straight line, curvy road, and the track.
This is truly a sad day being a Lexus fan. Everyone did lower the expectation to low range in the group, Lexus still couldn't deliver.

MK4Sup_isF

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Not for more than a few laps, if the new Z06 is any indication. Lol I have to say it!

I do hope the FS series are truly in the work because I'm tired of fan boys of the competitors talking so much smack

GSteg

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..but but but reliability!!!

spwolf

lets keep in mind that GS-F comes only loaded, and with TVD standard... so it is actually lighter than RC-F by some 20 lbs, and than competition like M5 by +350lbs.

Lexus pics suck, as always, I dont know why they always do such poor PR pics... whatever mag did the pics that showed up on lexus enthusiasts, car looks good... interior is probably best looking Lexus interior... as to the remote touch, looks a bit changed or is it only my eyes deceiving me?

spwolf

Lexus is always doing their own thing... I think you misunderstood cheif engineer when saying that they did not benchmark directly against M4 - they built RC-F based on what they wanted to do and then compared it to M4. BMW on the other hand, made their own and different decisions. This is why Lexus brings M4 to every dealer training and thats why they will also bring M5 to GS-F trainings.

Same will go for GS-F and M5. M5 will be a lot faster in straights, and GS-F will be a lot nimbler in curves, as well $30k easier on the valet.

SNiiP3R

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When you create a half baked product, its easier to just say we are building our own thing and following our path here, rather than tell the truth and say that we are way behind in the engine department. Lexus created this problem, no one forced them or told them not invest in new engines. The GS-F is fine car, the problem is under the hood, the same can be said about the rest of the line up. Just be because you received the awards for your engines 10 years ago, does not mean you should stop there. That's exactly what Lexus did.