Hyundai and Kia to pay record EPA fine
11-04-14, 08:21 AM
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11-04-14, 04:18 PM
#19
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I can't believe there are people defending Hyundai/Kia in this. How many people were duped by all those ads with 40 MPG in big bold letters? That was the cornerstone of Hyundai's marketing for at least a few years. Although they have offered compensation for gas, that is a pittance compared to the tens of thousands of dollars people paid for their cars. Hyundai came off the winner in this exchange and have highly profited from their increased sales, with their consumers being the losers , believing they were were getting more than what they actually get.
11-05-14, 11:39 AM
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Now.....that doesn't mean that Hyundai and Kia couldn't have maybe done a little better job on the testing, but the whole buisness of gas mileage is, and always has been, an inexact science.
11-05-14, 12:28 PM
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Now.....that doesn't mean that Hyundai and Kia couldn't have maybe done a little better job on the testing, but the whole buisness of gas mileage is, and always has been, an inexact science.
11-05-14, 12:34 PM
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as big of a fine as it is they totally deserve it. If you are going to compete you need to play fair. Companies build reps of reliability. Dont come back from the dead , produce nice vehicles, pnly to lie. AND the price of gas is dropping like crazy. Screw mpgs. lol
Just wanted to add.....I am sooooo happy I have a car with a HUGE V8 !!!lol
Just wanted to add.....I am sooooo happy I have a car with a HUGE V8 !!!lol
11-05-14, 07:21 PM
#25
Should consumers have the common sense to know their car's true horsepower as well? "Hmm, my BMW 3-series engine feels totally underrated, just my common sense and gut feeling."
...People don't do that.
People use figures like the EPA numbers (and other figures like horsepower, torque, etc.) to make informed decisions on which cars to buy. Its not going as far as reading 3-page long reviews or reading anecdotal car mileage reports, but just reading that EPA number you should be able to trust that number and compare it to other cars EPA to make an informed buying decision. If you can't even trust that number due to an automaker purposely fudging the numbers to leverage their cars fraudulently, then there is a problem.
This fine is a slight slap on the wrist as it is.
...People don't do that.
People use figures like the EPA numbers (and other figures like horsepower, torque, etc.) to make informed decisions on which cars to buy. Its not going as far as reading 3-page long reviews or reading anecdotal car mileage reports, but just reading that EPA number you should be able to trust that number and compare it to other cars EPA to make an informed buying decision. If you can't even trust that number due to an automaker purposely fudging the numbers to leverage their cars fraudulently, then there is a problem.
This fine is a slight slap on the wrist as it is.
11-06-14, 05:30 AM
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no question hyundai lied about those numbers by cheating or abusing the testing somehow.
customers should be able to trust numbers coming from manufacturers or get pretty close. in this case no way could you get close to those mpg.
customers should be able to trust numbers coming from manufacturers or get pretty close. in this case no way could you get close to those mpg.
11-06-14, 03:18 PM
#27
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All right, folks. That's right....Marshall doesn't know what he's talking about. Go ahead and toss all the stones at Hyundai and Kia you want. You'll get your way. Hyundai and Kia will (probably) end up paying the fine and settlement. But don't be naive. Who do you really think is going to end up footing the bill for this settlement? Future car-buyers, that's who......in higher list-prices for Hyundai and Kia products. These vehicles, of course, are head-and-shoulders better in quality than they were years ago. But there's no free lunch....the cost for those better materials and construction had to come from somewhere. Hyundai/Kia list prices, especially for lower-line models, have already risen sharply (especially in the last two years or so) to reflect that now-better quality. While still value-priced compared to some of their competitors, a number of Hyundai and Kia products, again more so with the entry-level models than top-end, are clearly not the exceptional bargains they once were. And you can take it to the bank that this settlement will mean only more list-price inflation in the future.
Last edited by mmarshall; 11-06-14 at 03:24 PM.
11-06-14, 03:48 PM
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Maybe it'll cost them the development of a feature for a year or something to that effect, but it won't just result in a direct increase in the price of their cars.
11-06-14, 04:47 PM
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