So I pull in a 76 station to gas up...
10-02-14, 06:54 AM
#1
So I pull in a 76 station to gas up...
First 76 station I've seen in Jersey in many years or ever.
I pull up to the pumps and see in all 3 pumps only 87 octane.No 89 or 93.The attendant said only 87 with 76.
There are a couple of brands I've seen with only 87 and 93 but I've never a station with only regular.
I pull up to the pumps and see in all 3 pumps only 87 octane.No 89 or 93.The attendant said only 87 with 76.
There are a couple of brands I've seen with only 87 and 93 but I've never a station with only regular.
10-02-14, 10:01 AM
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10-03-14, 01:11 PM
#9
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LOL thats true, in NY you have high property taxes AND expensive gas...
10-03-14, 06:34 PM
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Probably not deliberately. Might have been an error on the part of the tanker-truck driver when he or she opened up the hatch-covers and started pumping. A deliberate move like that, if caught, would probably cost the gas-station its buisness-license and the truck driver his or her job.
10-03-14, 06:40 PM
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First 76 station I've seen in Jersey in many years or ever.
I pull up to the pumps and see in all 3 pumps only 87 octane.No 89 or 93.The attendant said only 87 with 76.
There are a couple of brands I've seen with only 87 and 93 but I've never a station with only regular.
I pull up to the pumps and see in all 3 pumps only 87 octane.No 89 or 93.The attendant said only 87 with 76.
There are a couple of brands I've seen with only 87 and 93 but I've never a station with only regular.
One thing, however, that IS a fact, is that a number of cars that formerly needed higher-octanes (as with many turbos) can now safely run on 87 (though maybe losing a few HP/torque in the process. So, in the minds of many car owners, the very small difference in power to be gained (not even noticeable in most driving situations) is simply not worth paying an extra 30 or 40 cents for each gallon.
10-03-14, 07:36 PM
#12
Just a guess (I don't necessarily know this for a fact) is that it may (?) be related to a lessening in demand in NJ, or across the country, for the higher octanes.
One thing, however, that IS a fact, is that a number of cars that formerly needed higher-octanes (as with many turbos) can now safely run on 87 (though maybe losing a few HP/torque in the process. So, in the minds of many car owners, the very small difference in power to be gained (not even noticeable in most driving situations) is simply not worth paying an extra 30 or 40 cents for each gallon.
One thing, however, that IS a fact, is that a number of cars that formerly needed higher-octanes (as with many turbos) can now safely run on 87 (though maybe losing a few HP/torque in the process. So, in the minds of many car owners, the very small difference in power to be gained (not even noticeable in most driving situations) is simply not worth paying an extra 30 or 40 cents for each gallon.
10-03-14, 08:52 PM
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As you say, turbos used to specifically require premium because of heat, artificially-high compression-ratio, flame-front, spark-advance, knock/ping, and other issues inside the cylinders. But modern engineering, direct-injection, advances in fuels, better computer-sensors to detect pinging and retard spark to compensate, dual-sequence turbos, and other advances have allowed engineers to program turbo power plants to accept the use of lower-octane, cheaper gas with only minimal compromises and still run safely without engine damage, And, believe me.....that 30-40 cent saving on each gallon builds up over time, especially if you drive a lot of miles.
I realize this may be a long way from New Jersey (the thread topic), but, if you live, say, near the Mexican border, or regularly cross it for any reason and fill up in that country, I'd think twice about using that junk fuel they sell down there any more than absolutely necessary on an American-spec engine. Even with the modern advances found in today's engines (and 87-Octane tolerance), there's a limit to the quality of the junk you can feed them and expect not to have consequences.
Last edited by mmarshall; 10-03-14 at 09:00 PM.
10-04-14, 09:23 AM
#14
Just a guess (I don't necessarily know this for a fact) is that it may (?) be related to a lessening in demand in NJ, or across the country, for the higher octanes.
One thing, however, that IS a fact, is that a number of cars that formerly needed higher-octanes (as with many turbos) can now safely run on 87 (though maybe losing a few HP/torque in the process. So, in the minds of many car owners, the very small difference in power to be gained (not even noticeable in most driving situations) is simply not worth paying an extra 30 or 40 cents for each gallon
One thing, however, that IS a fact, is that a number of cars that formerly needed higher-octanes (as with many turbos) can now safely run on 87 (though maybe losing a few HP/torque in the process. So, in the minds of many car owners, the very small difference in power to be gained (not even noticeable in most driving situations) is simply not worth paying an extra 30 or 40 cents for each gallon
87 down to under $3 a gal here at many stations.I see and have bought premium at .55 to .62 a gallon more.
I guess that helps keep low 87 cost profit up.
10-04-14, 11:29 AM
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Not like before, though. Most state-of-the-art turbos can safely use regular for extended periods of time...which the automakers felt they had to do because of their increasing dependence on smaller, turbo powerplants instead of larger, N/A ones.
Most stations don't make much profit from gas, period, regardless of octane. That's why you usually see them co-located with either 7-11-type convienience-marts or service-bays.
I guess that helps keep low 87 cost profit up.
