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The long term reliability only really applies to the second or third owner. Most buyers of these cars don't keep them past 70k miles
I don't agree with you, Lexus and Toyota have a loyal truck and SUV following all over the world, switching to IRS would not be a good thing. It can be done but it just has to be done correctly IMO.
Also, Lexus owners especially LX owners keep their SUVs for a long time.
I don't agree with you, Lexus and Toyota have a loyal truck and SUV following all over the world, switching to IRS would not be a good thing. It can be done but it just has to be done correctly IMO.
Also, Lexus owners especially LX owners keep their SUVs for a long time.
There's no question the new Ram excels in comfort. I agree with that 100%. How long that smooth-riding new suspension and rear end will hold up, though, compared to previous versions, is still in the wind...these trucks are still fairly new, age-wise.
See I'd be more concerned about an IRS on a truck, where it will be hauling material and towing most of the time. However trucks like Escalade will only haul people, yes it will be used for towing boats here and there but thats it!
Not to hard to do when Sequoia, Armada are old as heck and Expedition is only refreshed
Not only that, but the quality of GM's large trucks and SUVs is FAR better today than before the buyout. Not that long ago, outside of the generally durable 5.7L V8 engines and transmissions, they were classic examples of cheapness inside and out, and had notoriously bad Push-and-Pray brakes that were troublesome for years.
My ex-supervisor wanted one after he retired, and, at his request, I helped him find and buy a then-new 2002 Yukon XL (Suburban). I never felt a worse set of normally-functioning power-brakes in my life...on that 3-ton-plus monster, they bordered on frightening, and I was especially careful when I test-drove it. (this is one reason why GM went bankrupt). Even his son-in-law was concerned for him driving it.......but he loved it. The service department pronounced the brakes normal for a full-size GM truck, and he took it home.
Not only that, but the quality of GM's large trucks and SUVs is FAR better today than before the buyout. Not that long ago, outside of the generally durable 5.7L V8 engines and transmissions, they were classic examples of cheapness inside and out, and had notoriously bad Push-and-Pray brakes that were troublesome for years.
My ex-supervisor wanted one after he retired, and, at his request, I helped him find and buy a then-new 2002 Yukon XL (Suburban). I never felt a worse set of normally-functioning power-brakes in my life...on that 3-ton-plus monster, they bordered on frightening, and I was especially careful when I test-drove it. (this is one reason why GM went bankrupt). Even his son-in-law was concerned for him driving it.......but he loved it. The service department pronounced the brakes normal for a full-size GM truck, and he took it home.
About the only thing I every liked about the generation you're talking about is the handsome truckish exterior of the Yukon
About the only thing I every liked about the generation you're talking about is the handsome truckish exterior of the Yukon
Yes......even with the super-crappy brakes, its long tradition (going back to 1936) kept selling it. So did its relatively handsome looks...which you noted.
That's where the original 1Gen Navigator first got a big heads-up on Cadillac. Lincoln (correctly) figured there would be a good market for an American-badged, full-sized, truck-based, luxury-grade SUV. Cadillac, despite the wide popularity of Tahoes/Yukons, essentially got caught with their pants down, and, as a response, had to hastily do a rebadged upmarket Yukon as the 1Gen Escalade until they had time to properly design a 2Gen from scratch, using an all-new Tahoe base.
Lincoln, on the other hand, delayed getting the long-wheelbase Navigator L out until after GM had introduced the long-wheelbase Escalade ESV from the Suburban.
Yes......even with the super-crappy brakes, its long tradition (going back to 1936) kept selling it. So did its relatively handsome looks...which you noted.
That's where the original 1Gen Navigator first got a big heads-up on Cadillac. Lincoln (correctly) figured there would be a good market for an American-badged, full-sized, truck-based, luxury-grade SUV. Cadillac, despite the wide popularity of Tahoes/Yukons, essentially got caught with their pants down, and, as a response, had to hastily do a rebadged upmarket Yukon as the 1Gen Escalade until they had time to properly design a 2Gen from scratch, using an all-new Tahoe base.
Lincoln, on the other hand, delayed getting the long-wheelbase Navigator L out until after GM had introduced the long-wheelbase Escalade ESV from the Suburban.
The same cannot be said of an American-badged, full-sized, luxury-grade Truck ala Blackwood and Mark LT
The same cannot be said of an American-badged, full-sized, luxury-grade Truck ala Blackwood and Mark LT
The Blackwood made the error of using expensive African woods and plush carpet for its bed. Nobody is going to buy a luxury-grade pickup and then dump a dirty or abrasive load on top of something like that......it was purely an expensive show-piece, and little else. Even the expensive, luxury Ford King Ranch and Ram Longhorn trucks know where to draw the line on bed-materials.
To my knowledge, only about 1000 Blackwoods were built, and I myself have seen only two of them....one on display at the D.C. Auto Show, and the other recently in a local grocery parking lot.
I don't understand what Lincoln is thinking with the Navigator. My father in law had a 2003 Navigator...a vehicle I liked a lot:
I was dumbfounded when they did this to it:
Essentially its the same vehicle...but to me the 2003 looked like it could be the refresh of the 2010!
This new thing...again is still essentially the same vehicle, and better than the 2010 but a long way off. With an all new Escalade out there, and the Range Rover...this thing is a waste IMHO, even at such a price savings.
I don't understand what Lincoln is thinking with the Navigator. My father in law had a 2003 Navigator...a vehicle I liked a lot:
The Navigator did just what many other upmarket vehicles are doing nowadays......joined the oversize-grille club. I generally don't like garish or overly-large grilles myself, but it's just something that has to be put up with nowadays if one wants a new vehicle.
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