Cadillac Planning Sub-ATS?
#46
To a certain degree yes, but they know going into it that a car of that caliber or the technology isn't intended for the sole purpose of profit. As it stands Lexus was able to highlight it was the worlds first V8 AWD Hybrid but they did little to highlight it which is why it left the lime light quickly.
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#47
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People of substantial means buy Range Rover, GL, LX and top end X5.
Go to some of the truly wealthy suburbs in this country and you do not see Escalades. Escalade is a car for the middle America who has done well and can buy up a class from Suburban/Tahoe.
Range Rover/LX are really in a league of their own. Period.
#48
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To who? Middle America?
People of substantial means buy Range Rover, GL, LX and top end X5.
Go to some of the truly wealthy suburbs in this country and you do not see Escalades. Escalade is a car for the middle America who has done well and can buy up a class from Suburban/Tahoe.
Range Rover/LX are really in a league of their own. Period.
People of substantial means buy Range Rover, GL, LX and top end X5.
Go to some of the truly wealthy suburbs in this country and you do not see Escalades. Escalade is a car for the middle America who has done well and can buy up a class from Suburban/Tahoe.
Range Rover/LX are really in a league of their own. Period.
I see an order of magnitude more GLs, LXs, Range Rovers, & Q7s than I see Escalades, each respectively. Unless I travel to the field (oil field), then I only see Escalades among those who came from blue collar roots. Cadillac has a serious demographic issue on their hands, because the people who buy their SUVs are people who do not buy sedans. Their other vehicle is a truck.
My question is, if they can't sell as many ATSs and CTSs as they'd like to, who is going to buy a sub-ATS?
#49
Lexus Fanatic
To a certain degree yes, but they know going into it that a car of that caliber or the technology isn't intended for the sole purpose of profit. As it stands Lexus was able to highlight it was the worlds first V8 AWD Hybrid but they did little to highlight it which is why it left the lime light quickly.
#50
Lexus Fanatic
To who? Middle America?
People of substantial means buy Range Rover, GL, LX and top end X5.
Go to some of the truly wealthy suburbs in this country and you do not see Escalades. Escalade is a car for the middle America who has done well and can buy up a class from Suburban/Tahoe.
Range Rover/LX are really in a league of their own. Period.
People of substantial means buy Range Rover, GL, LX and top end X5.
Go to some of the truly wealthy suburbs in this country and you do not see Escalades. Escalade is a car for the middle America who has done well and can buy up a class from Suburban/Tahoe.
Range Rover/LX are really in a league of their own. Period.
#52
I'd like to know how you rank the LX as more prestigious than than the LX, and that it is more desirable than the GL and Range Rover.
The BRAND NEW Escalade still requires significant incentives, ~$4,000 per vehicle. Lexus LX was at ~$200 per vehicle, Range Rover $0, Range Rover Sport <$100, Mercedes GL - the sales leader in the segment, is at ~$2,500.
Escalades are widely used as fleet/limo vehicles, which in a lot of people's eyes diminishes the "prestige" of a vehicle.
But this is all off topic for an ATS thread.
#54
Lexus Fanatic
It just so happens that the Escalade is the most prestigious large SUV and it also sells better. What don't you get?
#56
but I digress. This thread is about the ATS, not sure how we all went so awry
#57
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Also, you brought up the argument about things selling in higher volumes indicating that they are more prestigious - not me. By your flawed logic, Wal-Mart is a more prestigious place to shop than Bloomingdales.
I can't even take you seriously right now.
#58
Lexus Fanatic
Initially they said it had V12 'like' acceleration. Never a true alternative, it dwindled. So while in some eyes it failed, it holds a place in automotive history as an uber advanced sedan (the experience is serene btw) and part of Lexus's hybrid past which is showing no signs of slowing down with up to 6 models Stateside when the NX debuts. Not to mention the next AWD Hybrid Performance system is expected to produce 500+hp
but I digress. This thread is about the ATS, not sure how we all went so awry
but I digress. This thread is about the ATS, not sure how we all went so awry
So lets move on.
#59
Lexus Fanatic
I'm not sure what YOU don't understand, but one of the primary reasons that the Escalade sells better than the LX is because it is significantly less expensive and also comes in two different models (do they still make the truck?).
Also, you brought up the argument about things selling in higher volumes indicating that they are more prestigious - not me. By your flawed logic, Wal-Mart is a more prestigious place to shop than Bloomingdales.
I can't even take you seriously right now.
Also, you brought up the argument about things selling in higher volumes indicating that they are more prestigious - not me. By your flawed logic, Wal-Mart is a more prestigious place to shop than Bloomingdales.
I can't even take you seriously right now.