View Poll Results: Which new model will debut at the 2014 LA Auto Show in November?
GS F
22
36.67%
TX
2
3.33%
RC variant (convertible or 4 door coupe)
14
23.33%
CT sedan
2
3.33%
5LS
6
10.00%
3SC
3
5.00%
3IS F
2
3.33%
4RX
8
13.33%
2LFA
0
0%
2CT
0
0%
4LX
0
0%
2HS
1
1.67%
Other
0
0%
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Lexus LF-C2 Convertible Debuts (pg.20, post#290)
11-18-14, 02:57 PM
#288
Lexus Flashes New Pics of RC Convertible Study
After previously flashing us a shot of the LF-C2 Concept's profile, Lexus has now unveiled a frontal and an interior photograph of what we all know to be a pre-production study of the RC Convertible.
From what we can tell, there's not a lot interest in Lexus' teasers with the official site having gathered less than 4,000 reader votes on which picture the company should release next.
Lexus will officially toss the wraps off the LF-C2 at the Los Angeles Auto Show on Wednesday afternoon, where we should learn more about the brand's plans for their BMW 4-Series Convertible rival.
From what we can tell, there's not a lot interest in Lexus' teasers with the official site having gathered less than 4,000 reader votes on which picture the company should release next.
Lexus will officially toss the wraps off the LF-C2 at the Los Angeles Auto Show on Wednesday afternoon, where we should learn more about the brand's plans for their BMW 4-Series Convertible rival.
11-19-14, 12:06 PM
#293
I think a big part of why Lexus' used the IS C midsection in the RC's platform was because the RC was planned to offer a convertible option all along.
The downside of this is a coupe that's unnecessarily about 250lbs too heavy, and most people will undoubtedly buy the coupe over the drop top anyway. Also sucks from a PR perspective where most of the media will be more interested in the coupe, it was produced first, and they've already tested it and found it to be unnecessarily overweight.
Bottom line: I think the RC and RC F are so overweight because the chassis was overengineered to support a convertible. I get it from a product planning point of view, but my sincere hope is that for the second generation RC, Lexus can figure this whole thing out and will have more time to produce a lighter chassis that is just as rigid.
The downside of this is a coupe that's unnecessarily about 250lbs too heavy, and most people will undoubtedly buy the coupe over the drop top anyway. Also sucks from a PR perspective where most of the media will be more interested in the coupe, it was produced first, and they've already tested it and found it to be unnecessarily overweight.
Bottom line: I think the RC and RC F are so overweight because the chassis was overengineered to support a convertible. I get it from a product planning point of view, but my sincere hope is that for the second generation RC, Lexus can figure this whole thing out and will have more time to produce a lighter chassis that is just as rigid.
11-19-14, 12:29 PM
#294
I think a big part of why Lexus' used the IS C midsection in the RC's platform was because the RC was planned to offer a convertible option all along.
The downside of this is a coupe that's unnecessarily about 250lbs too heavy, and most people will undoubtedly buy the coupe over the drop top anyway. Also sucks from a PR perspective where most of the media will be more interested in the coupe, it was produced first, and they've already tested it and found it to be unnecessarily overweight.
Bottom line: I think the RC and RC F are so overweight because the chassis was overengineered to support a convertible. I get it from a product planning point of view, but my sincere hope is that for the second generation RC, Lexus can figure this whole thing out and will have more time to produce a lighter chassis that is just as rigid.
The downside of this is a coupe that's unnecessarily about 250lbs too heavy, and most people will undoubtedly buy the coupe over the drop top anyway. Also sucks from a PR perspective where most of the media will be more interested in the coupe, it was produced first, and they've already tested it and found it to be unnecessarily overweight.
Bottom line: I think the RC and RC F are so overweight because the chassis was overengineered to support a convertible. I get it from a product planning point of view, but my sincere hope is that for the second generation RC, Lexus can figure this whole thing out and will have more time to produce a lighter chassis that is just as rigid.
i also heard rumors that a problem with the IS chassis is that the v8 again doesn't fit in the engine bay (again!!!). if that's true, it also help explain why the rcf front is from the gs.
hopefully in the next generation when lexus design the platform it can be more well thought out so the accounting and engineering departments are both happy
11-19-14, 01:08 PM
#295
or create a chassis for IS that's good enough to be used by the RC as well. part of the problem is lexus decided that the IS chassis wasn't good enough for the RC, and doing a new one for RC alone is going to be very expensive (for the return), so they had to go with a chopped design and thus the resulting weight. the 3 and 4 are about the same weight iirc coz' they share the same chassis design i believe. same with the c.
i also heard rumors that a problem with the IS chassis is that the v8 again doesn't fit in the engine bay (again!!!). if that's true, it also help explain why the rcf front is from the gs.
hopefully in the next generation when lexus design the platform it can be more well thought out so the accounting and engineering departments are both happy
i also heard rumors that a problem with the IS chassis is that the v8 again doesn't fit in the engine bay (again!!!). if that's true, it also help explain why the rcf front is from the gs.
hopefully in the next generation when lexus design the platform it can be more well thought out so the accounting and engineering departments are both happy
Essentially, RC is really a mashup of different parts of the same platform. It would make sense that the IS platform itself doesn't support a V8, which is why the front architecture of the RC is from the GS (which we know can support a V8), and the rear section is from the IS.
To your point, there has to be a more efficient way to do this in the future. I expect that a possible next gen RC F would be a TT V6, so maybe it will more easily share components and platforms with the 4IS. I know we are looking far into the future here, but it's not hard to make logical assumptions
11-19-14, 01:40 PM
#296
IS and GS share derivatives of the same chassis... I believe IS C chassis is a heavily reinforced derivative of the 2IS/GS platform itself.
Essentially, RC is really a mashup of different parts of the same platform. It would make sense that the IS platform itself doesn't support a V8, which is why the front architecture of the RC is from the GS (which we know can support a V8), and the rear section is from the IS.
To your point, there has to be a more efficient way to do this in the future. I expect that a possible next gen RC F would be a TT V6, so maybe it will more easily share components and platforms with the 4IS. I know we are looking far into the future here, but it's not hard to make logical assumptions
Essentially, RC is really a mashup of different parts of the same platform. It would make sense that the IS platform itself doesn't support a V8, which is why the front architecture of the RC is from the GS (which we know can support a V8), and the rear section is from the IS.
To your point, there has to be a more efficient way to do this in the future. I expect that a possible next gen RC F would be a TT V6, so maybe it will more easily share components and platforms with the 4IS. I know we are looking far into the future here, but it's not hard to make logical assumptions
Talk of the 4IS already! love it
11-19-14, 01:56 PM
#297
IS and GS share derivatives of the same chassis... I believe IS C chassis is a heavily reinforced derivative of the 2IS/GS platform itself.
Essentially, RC is really a mashup of different parts of the same platform. It would make sense that the IS platform itself doesn't support a V8, which is why the front architecture of the RC is from the GS (which we know can support a V8), and the rear section is from the IS.
To your point, there has to be a more efficient way to do this in the future. I expect that a possible next gen RC F would be a TT V6, so maybe it will more easily share components and platforms with the 4IS. I know we are looking far into the future here, but it's not hard to make logical assumptions
Essentially, RC is really a mashup of different parts of the same platform. It would make sense that the IS platform itself doesn't support a V8, which is why the front architecture of the RC is from the GS (which we know can support a V8), and the rear section is from the IS.
To your point, there has to be a more efficient way to do this in the future. I expect that a possible next gen RC F would be a TT V6, so maybe it will more easily share components and platforms with the 4IS. I know we are looking far into the future here, but it's not hard to make logical assumptions
But next gen platform from Lexus will certainly be built to be lighter. Probably single platform for all of the RWD vehicles.
11-19-14, 01:58 PM
#298
whenever you have platform sharing, you get more weight. However, let me point out that RC350 is only 150lbs heavier than IS350... thats not a lot more for coupes.
But next gen platform from Lexus will certainly be built to be lighter. Probably single platform for all of the RWD vehicles.
But next gen platform from Lexus will certainly be built to be lighter. Probably single platform for all of the RWD vehicles.
11-19-14, 02:15 PM
#300
Replay the reveal here: http://www.lexus.com/concept/LFC2/in...concept-reveal
Full release and more pics (I am too lazy to link): http://lexusenthusiast.com/2014/11/1...s-information/
LF-C2 looks great, BTW.
Full release and more pics (I am too lazy to link): http://lexusenthusiast.com/2014/11/1...s-information/
LF-C2 looks great, BTW.
Last edited by MPLexus301; 11-19-14 at 02:22 PM.