GM To Idle ATS & CTS Plant For 3 Weeks; CTS Has 215 Day Supply
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Time's are changing, the ram now uses a irs and its been praised for its car like ride.
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Excellent post, oldcajun. You are correct on all counts, especially with the DTS/XTS.
The ATS does ride on the stiff side, but most reviewers now place it ahead of the 3-series in handling.
I'd also add something else......the CUE system and the finger-slide volume/fan controls (which are also used in some Lincolns) also turn some potential buyers off.
The ATS does ride on the stiff side, but most reviewers now place it ahead of the 3-series in handling.
I'd also add something else......the CUE system and the finger-slide volume/fan controls (which are also used in some Lincolns) also turn some potential buyers off.
You can't have it both ways... I want Cadillac to compete well against the the Germans & Lexus, if that means they have to raise their prices to make a better car so be it..
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This may sound like heresy to some, but it's not. The new Ram, at least in the lighter-duty versions, out-rides some so-called "luxury" sedans in the comfort/refinement department. (so did the last top-level Kia Sorento I test-drove). This was unheard of in a pickup as recently as just several years ago.
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In regards to the OP, is this due to GM ramping up production, slower sales, or a combination of both?
Caddy's image is definitely still lagging behind it's self perceived main competitors (MB, BMW, Lexus) but it has improved by leaps and bounds in the last few years. I personally would consider Caddy ahead of other brands such as Acura, Infinity, Volvo, in segments where they compete directly. I do agree that their pricing scale was a bit too ambitious. They still need to undercut MB, BMW, and Lexus instead of matching them. And to keep brand perception up, they'll likely not advertise incentives much.
Lexus did it correctly in this regard. For many many years, Lexus released competitive vehicles and undercut the competition repeatedly. Only after the name was fully recognized as a true alternative to the German stalwarts did prices continually creep up, but now people don't bat an eye at paying comparable prices. Caddy moved too quickly. One generation of respectable vehicles is not enough, no matter how good they are, especially in the luxury car segment.
I'm rooting for them, though. I love the direction Caddy is going and i hope they are successful enough to continue the trend.
Caddy's image is definitely still lagging behind it's self perceived main competitors (MB, BMW, Lexus) but it has improved by leaps and bounds in the last few years. I personally would consider Caddy ahead of other brands such as Acura, Infinity, Volvo, in segments where they compete directly. I do agree that their pricing scale was a bit too ambitious. They still need to undercut MB, BMW, and Lexus instead of matching them. And to keep brand perception up, they'll likely not advertise incentives much.
Lexus did it correctly in this regard. For many many years, Lexus released competitive vehicles and undercut the competition repeatedly. Only after the name was fully recognized as a true alternative to the German stalwarts did prices continually creep up, but now people don't bat an eye at paying comparable prices. Caddy moved too quickly. One generation of respectable vehicles is not enough, no matter how good they are, especially in the luxury car segment.
I'm rooting for them, though. I love the direction Caddy is going and i hope they are successful enough to continue the trend.
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In regards to the OP, is this due to GM ramping up production, slower sales, or a combination of both?
Caddy's image is definitely still lagging behind it's self perceived main competitors (MB, BMW, Lexus) but it has improved by leaps and bounds in the last few years. I personally would consider Caddy ahead of other brands such as Acura, Infinity, Volvo, in segments where they compete directly. I do agree that their pricing scale was a bit too ambitious. They still need to undercut MB, BMW, and Lexus instead of matching them. And to keep brand perception up, they'll likely not advertise incentives much.
Lexus did it correctly in this regard. For many many years, Lexus released competitive vehicles and undercut the competition repeatedly. Only after the name was fully recognized as a true alternative to the German stalwarts did prices continually creep up, but now people don't bat an eye at paying comparable prices. Caddy moved too quickly. One generation of respectable vehicles is not enough, no matter how good they are, especially in the luxury car segment.
I'm rooting for them, though. I love the direction Caddy is going and i hope they are successful enough to continue the trend.
Caddy's image is definitely still lagging behind it's self perceived main competitors (MB, BMW, Lexus) but it has improved by leaps and bounds in the last few years. I personally would consider Caddy ahead of other brands such as Acura, Infinity, Volvo, in segments where they compete directly. I do agree that their pricing scale was a bit too ambitious. They still need to undercut MB, BMW, and Lexus instead of matching them. And to keep brand perception up, they'll likely not advertise incentives much.
Lexus did it correctly in this regard. For many many years, Lexus released competitive vehicles and undercut the competition repeatedly. Only after the name was fully recognized as a true alternative to the German stalwarts did prices continually creep up, but now people don't bat an eye at paying comparable prices. Caddy moved too quickly. One generation of respectable vehicles is not enough, no matter how good they are, especially in the luxury car segment.
I'm rooting for them, though. I love the direction Caddy is going and i hope they are successful enough to continue the trend.
Based off of current and future products
1.Mercedes
2. Lexus BMW Audi
5. Jaguar
6. Cadi
7. Infiniti
8.Volvo
9. Lincoln & Acura
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Originally Posted by doge
Acura & Volvo have no real luxury cars
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Cadillac is trying really hard to rebrand its self, this is their transition period. They made their intentions clear with the first gen CTS. There cars are good, and they do a lot of things if not better than its competition. I'd be more worried about Cadillac if the product was poor in addition to the re-branding.
You can't have it both ways... I want Cadillac to compete well against the the Germans & Lexus, if that means they have to raise their prices to make a better car so be it..
You can't have it both ways... I want Cadillac to compete well against the the Germans & Lexus, if that means they have to raise their prices to make a better car so be it..
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I'll fast forward to the 80's in which Cadillac's models were:
Cimarron
Catera
Seville
Deville, Fleetwood, Sixty Special, Brougham
Eldorado
Allante
In the 2000's Cadillac models are:
ATS
ELR
CTS
STS
DTS, XTS
XLR
SRX
Escalade
In my opinion Cadillac needs to be more consistent, build tier 1 luxury vehicles(I place Cadillac as tier 2), price their vehicle's lower than their competitors until they prove themselves, etc. and whole lot more...
#148
I'll tell you exactly what cadillac's problem is.
their problem is actually THEMSELVES.
they keep clinging onto their vintage styling cues, trying to visually mimic their past fender fins, their past boxy american look of the 70's and 80's. they keep trying to design their new cars based on historic design cues. This although original, is not what the young high income earning segment wants.
Cadillac would be selling a lot more cars if they just did what hyundai and kia did, and just slap on the cadillac crest. The crest is still powerful, their designs are not so much.
the person who desires a bmw 3 series will not opt for the cadillac ATS. It's just too far from what they desire in terms of style.
their problem is actually THEMSELVES.
they keep clinging onto their vintage styling cues, trying to visually mimic their past fender fins, their past boxy american look of the 70's and 80's. they keep trying to design their new cars based on historic design cues. This although original, is not what the young high income earning segment wants.
Cadillac would be selling a lot more cars if they just did what hyundai and kia did, and just slap on the cadillac crest. The crest is still powerful, their designs are not so much.
the person who desires a bmw 3 series will not opt for the cadillac ATS. It's just too far from what they desire in terms of style.
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Actually Cadillac' have "character"
The 3 series just looks awful, especially the current gen model.
Only reason people buy 3 series is due to badge, not merit
The 3 series just looks awful, especially the current gen model.
Only reason people buy 3 series is due to badge, not merit
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I'll tell you exactly what cadillac's problem is.
their problem is actually THEMSELVES.
they keep clinging onto their vintage styling cues, trying to visually mimic their past fender fins, their past boxy american look of the 70's and 80's. they keep trying to design their new cars based on historic design cues. This although original, is not what the young high income earning segment wants.
Cadillac would be selling a lot more cars if they just did what hyundai and kia did, and just slap on the cadillac crest. The crest is still powerful, their designs are not so much.
the person who desires a bmw 3 series will not opt for the cadillac ATS. It's just too far from what they desire in terms of style.
their problem is actually THEMSELVES.
they keep clinging onto their vintage styling cues, trying to visually mimic their past fender fins, their past boxy american look of the 70's and 80's. they keep trying to design their new cars based on historic design cues. This although original, is not what the young high income earning segment wants.
Cadillac would be selling a lot more cars if they just did what hyundai and kia did, and just slap on the cadillac crest. The crest is still powerful, their designs are not so much.
the person who desires a bmw 3 series will not opt for the cadillac ATS. It's just too far from what they desire in terms of style.