July 2014 Sales Thread
08-02-14, 05:10 PM
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08-03-14, 02:37 AM
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Even if it doesn't (they're all close anyway), Lexus product is getting more and more competitive, ads aggressive/social media push, winning comparisons, adding depth and improving brand image, and NX and RC aren't even out, but they will be making inroads by then. GS refresh and 4RX will once again be a catalyst. New powertrains start filling Lexus engine bays. 5LS and SC/LF-LC not long after that. There's never been a better time to be a Lexus fantatic
08-03-14, 09:09 AM
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Lexus did well but they should really start beefing up that middle section of the market with the GS and GX, 2500-3k sales from each should be the target. That's really the only weakness in their sales performance. Every other segment seems to be cornered.
08-03-14, 11:13 AM
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The LS is what defined Lexus and for many years the LS did outsell everything else in the segment including the S-Class. Hopefully when the next-gen LS comes it'll be 1990 or 2000 all over again, as both gens beat the competition by quite a margin, and were actually superior to the competition in many ways.
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08-03-14, 11:29 AM
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B. Totally Awesome
C. Wickedly Awesome
D. Awesome Possum
E. All of the above
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Without confirmation, the tidbits running around the rumormill suggest a LS500 base with a NA 5.0, the 500hp* V6 Hybrid, and a TTV8 LS F developing over 600hp*. Those are just the suggest powertrains. Can't even begin to fathom the luxuries and technologies
08-03-14, 01:30 PM
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That and the flagships (LS, LX) and coupes. We know they're coming though.
The LS is what defined Lexus and for many years the LS did outsell everything else in the segment including the S-Class. Hopefully when the next-gen LS comes it'll be 1990 or 2000 all over again, as both gens beat the competition by quite a margin, and were actually superior to the competition in many ways.
The LS is what defined Lexus and for many years the LS did outsell everything else in the segment including the S-Class. Hopefully when the next-gen LS comes it'll be 1990 or 2000 all over again, as both gens beat the competition by quite a margin, and were actually superior to the competition in many ways.
GS has always struggled.
08-03-14, 02:08 PM
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The GS, as someone on this forum would tell you, is not meant to sell in volume, and is actually a solid offering in many aspects. As long as the ES continues to sell alongside the GS, the GS will never see the light of the day no matter how good it is. That said, if the GS engineers can manage to package the car a bit better and offer a little more room in the rear it'll go a long way to increasing its sales. The lack of room is the GS's single biggest shortcoming against its competition IMO.
08-03-14, 02:42 PM
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The LS used to lead the segment so it should not be content with a #2, especially not with such a huge gap to #1, and not only in sales, but also in luxury and technology.
The GS, as someone on this forum would tell you, is not meant to sell in volume, and is actually a solid offering in many aspects. As long as the ES continues to sell alongside the GS, the GS will never see the light of the day no matter how good it is. That said, if the GS engineers can manage to package the car a bit better and offer a little more room in the rear it'll go a long way to increasing its sales. The lack of room is the GS's single biggest shortcoming against its competition IMO.
The GS, as someone on this forum would tell you, is not meant to sell in volume, and is actually a solid offering in many aspects. As long as the ES continues to sell alongside the GS, the GS will never see the light of the day no matter how good it is. That said, if the GS engineers can manage to package the car a bit better and offer a little more room in the rear it'll go a long way to increasing its sales. The lack of room is the GS's single biggest shortcoming against its competition IMO.
08-03-14, 02:49 PM
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08-03-14, 02:52 PM
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The LS used to lead the segment so it should not be content with a #2, especially not with such a huge gap to #1, and not only in sales, but also in luxury and technology.
The GS, as someone on this forum would tell you, is not meant to sell in volume, and is actually a solid offering in many aspects. As long as the ES continues to sell alongside the GS, the GS will never see the light of the day no matter how good it is. That said, if the GS engineers can manage to package the car a bit better and offer a little more room in the rear it'll go a long way to increasing its sales. The lack of room is the GS's single biggest shortcoming against its competition IMO.
The GS, as someone on this forum would tell you, is not meant to sell in volume, and is actually a solid offering in many aspects. As long as the ES continues to sell alongside the GS, the GS will never see the light of the day no matter how good it is. That said, if the GS engineers can manage to package the car a bit better and offer a little more room in the rear it'll go a long way to increasing its sales. The lack of room is the GS's single biggest shortcoming against its competition IMO.
2k units a month is right at its initial first year target. Sadly on the Internet meeting a target a bad thing with people.
08-03-14, 03:45 PM
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That is because some people here cannot understand the concept of sales targets. GS sales are up. The ES is the volume car, it is supposed to outsell the GS.
2k units a month is right at its initial first year target. Sadly on the Internet meeting a target a bad thing with people.
2k units a month is right at its initial first year target. Sadly on the Internet meeting a target a bad thing with people.
I'm not here to ask Lexus to remove the ES from the lineup, but to simply increase the rear legroom of the GS a little bit (another 1.5" would help greatly), and to try making the drive shaft protrude a little less into the middle seat, so to be on par with the E-Class and the 5-series in this aspect, as that has been the single biggest complaint about the GS I've heard from people cross-shopping the 3 cars, and the only glaring shortcoming the GS has against the two competitors. By doing so I guarantee you that the GS will convert a lot the E-class and 5-series buyers without compromising much sales of the ES (which still has the advantage of an enormous room in the rear for those who want the room of a fullsize car without paying for one).
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08-03-14, 04:16 PM
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You're mixing up the cause with the consequence. Have you ever stopped to wonder why the sales target of the GS was set so low in the first place, when on merit alone it is pretty much on par with if not better than the E-Class and the 5-series in most aspects? The GS was born to compete head-to-head with the E-Class and 5-series and you'd be kidding yourself if you deny even that. The only reason the GS sales expectation in the US was set so low in the first place is simply because of the presence of the ES. Of course the GS then went on the meet the low sales expectation because it's a reasonable one (given the presence of the ES), when the expectation should've been the level of the E-Class and the 5-series if the ES didn't exist (again, because the GS competes with the E-Class and 5-series in every aspect).
I'm not here to ask Lexus to remove the ES from the lineup, but to simply increase the rear legroom of the GS a little bit, and try making the drive shaft protrude a little less into the middle seat, to be on par with the E-Class and the 5-series, as that has been the single biggest complaint about the GS I've heard from people cross-shopping the 3 cars, and the only glaring shortcoming the GS has against the two competitors. By doing so I guarantee you that the GS will convert a lot the E-class and 5-series buyers without compromising much sales of the ES (which still has the advantage of an enormous room in the rear for those who want the room of a fullsize car without paying for one).
I'm not here to ask Lexus to remove the ES from the lineup, but to simply increase the rear legroom of the GS a little bit, and try making the drive shaft protrude a little less into the middle seat, to be on par with the E-Class and the 5-series, as that has been the single biggest complaint about the GS I've heard from people cross-shopping the 3 cars, and the only glaring shortcoming the GS has against the two competitors. By doing so I guarantee you that the GS will convert a lot the E-class and 5-series buyers without compromising much sales of the ES (which still has the advantage of an enormous room in the rear for those who want the room of a fullsize car without paying for one).
that does not make any sense... GS was made to be what it is right now. If they had different goals for the vehicle, it would have been different vehicle. It has nothing to do with ES.
08-03-14, 04:23 PM
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So what is "what it is"? I'll tell you what it is--it is a direct E-Class and 5-series competitor. That's what it is. Just like how the LS was made to compete head to head with the S-Class and the 7-series and did so quite successfully, the GS would've been able to achieve the same feat if it enjoyed being the only car in Lexus's lineup to compete in the segment. The Lexus management understands, however, that the ES (which came before the GS) also competes with the GS for Lexus customers who are shopping for a midsize sedan, so they set the GS sales target accordingly and reasonably. That's what it is.
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08-03-14, 05:25 PM
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That is because some people here cannot understand the concept of sales targets. GS sales are up. The ES is the volume car, it is supposed to outsell the GS.
2k units a month is right at its initial first year target. Sadly on the Internet meeting a target a bad thing with people.
2k units a month is right at its initial first year target. Sadly on the Internet meeting a target a bad thing with people.
E-class is doing 6k/mo, 5er 5k/mo, now I'm not suggesting the GS do that, but 2500-3000 should be the minimum target. The middle market needs focus, especially now that the flagship segment is starting to die, the midsize RWD segment is even more important.
08-03-14, 07:07 PM
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You're mixing up the cause with the consequence. Have you ever stopped to wonder why the sales target of the GS was set so low in the first place, when on merit alone it is pretty much on par with if not better than the E-Class and the 5-series in most aspects? The GS was born to compete head-to-head with the E-Class and 5-series and you'd be kidding yourself if you deny even that. The only reason the GS sales expectation in the US was set so low in the first place is simply because of the presence of the ES. Of course the GS then went on the meet the low sales expectation because it's a reasonable one (given the presence of the ES), when the expectation should've been the level of the E-Class and the 5-series if the ES didn't exist (again, because the GS competes with the E-Class and 5-series in every aspect).
I'm not here to ask Lexus to remove the ES from the lineup, but to simply increase the rear legroom of the GS a little bit (another 1.5" would help greatly), and to try making the drive shaft protrude a little less into the middle seat, so to be on par with the E-Class and the 5-series in this aspect, as that has been the single biggest complaint about the GS I've heard from people cross-shopping the 3 cars, and the only glaring shortcoming the GS has against the two competitors. By doing so I guarantee you that the GS will convert a lot the E-class and 5-series buyers without compromising much sales of the ES (which still has the advantage of an enormous room in the rear for those who want the room of a fullsize car without paying for one).
I'm not here to ask Lexus to remove the ES from the lineup, but to simply increase the rear legroom of the GS a little bit (another 1.5" would help greatly), and to try making the drive shaft protrude a little less into the middle seat, so to be on par with the E-Class and the 5-series in this aspect, as that has been the single biggest complaint about the GS I've heard from people cross-shopping the 3 cars, and the only glaring shortcoming the GS has against the two competitors. By doing so I guarantee you that the GS will convert a lot the E-class and 5-series buyers without compromising much sales of the ES (which still has the advantage of an enormous room in the rear for those who want the room of a fullsize car without paying for one).
Rarely is any praise given to it for
-hitting targets
-offering more features and options
-a true F sport package which is the best drive in class arguably
-a red leather option
-real aluminum trim
-led headlight option
-HUD
-rear steer
-staggered 19" wheels
-semi snaking trim with the luxury pack
-16 way seats with the F sport and 18 with luxury
-a 2 piece huge front brake on the F-Sport. That's what exotics have
And whatever else I'm missing. The only people complaining every month are not buying a GS one way or another. So why would Lexus begin to listen?
What people can't get though their skulls is the GS has basically one engine for now, no coupes. No wagons and a ES to contend with. Yet sales are up this year and sure some of it is due to better deals compared to the last gen.
I don't believe in sales targets, I believe in proper volume, relative to the competition.
E-class is doing 6k/mo, 5er 5k/mo, now I'm not suggesting the GS do that, but 2500-3000 should be the minimum target. The middle market needs focus, especially now that the flagship segment is starting to die, the midsize RWD segment is even more important.
E-class is doing 6k/mo, 5er 5k/mo, now I'm not suggesting the GS do that, but 2500-3000 should be the minimum target. The middle market needs focus, especially now that the flagship segment is starting to die, the midsize RWD segment is even more important.
Do you realize Mercedes and BMW are at WAR for the sales title? They are doing whatever it takes to win. The E class and 5 series are like the RX, the 500 lbs gorilla. No one is coming close. The e also includes coupe sales.
Next summer the *****ing will be the GS F doesn't make 700hp and the GS 200t is late and dumb.
