View Poll Results: What should the next LS go after?
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Next Lexus LS (2018 model)
02-25-17, 06:39 AM
#2101
Originally Posted by yardie876
Enform offers this for free right now. I can't tell you the last time I attempted to input an address with the car's interface. Still a bit clunky, but worlds better finding the address on your phone.
Most all car tech seems behind the times. The bar is so low, as long as it is not laggy, it will be fine for me.
02-25-17, 06:42 AM
#2102
Originally Posted by rominl
infotainment system being outdated wouldn't automatically means bad sales right? what is the logic behind that? there are still a lot of other good things about lexus cars
but comparing the infotainment on lexus vs bmw. vs audi vs mercedes, i would say each has their goods and bads. decade ago lexus was clearly in front but now imho lexus is clearly not in front. a lot of times they are trying to catch up on certain areas still. i really hope lexus can take charge on this area again
but comparing the infotainment on lexus vs bmw. vs audi vs mercedes, i would say each has their goods and bads. decade ago lexus was clearly in front but now imho lexus is clearly not in front. a lot of times they are trying to catch up on certain areas still. i really hope lexus can take charge on this area again
Any idea of updated age demographics for the LS?
02-25-17, 02:25 PM
#2103
Lexus Champion
Lexus was first to market with an automatic reverse parking feature. Lexus was the first luxury brand to offer a hybrid vehicle.
02-25-17, 02:31 PM
#2104
Lexus Fanatic
Those are two examples, overall I have to agree with him. Every Lexus I've ever had was lacking technology I could get elsewhere at the price point
02-25-17, 02:37 PM
#2105
Meanwhile, hybrids have evolved into hybrids with larger capacity battery packs with bigger electric motors for feistier acceleration, and much longer battery powered range PHEV's, thus bridging the gap to full blown electric vehicles.
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02-25-17, 02:37 PM
#2106
Lexus Fanatic
Lexus, however, seems to put more time, money, and attention into quality control and careful assembly than other luxury automakers. One cannot expect an auto company to spend limitless amounts of money on everything. Where it excels in one area, it may sometimes have to skimp in others. Look at Mercedes and BMW, for example. For years, they were the opposite......loads of technology and advanced electronics, but a high level of unreliability and electrical gremlins. Now, they are finally getting their QC gremlins under control. Lincoln is another luxury car manufacturer that, IMO, could use some more QC at their plants.
02-25-17, 02:41 PM
#2107
Lexus Fanatic
Exactly, very high quality well made cars, never on the cutting edge. Clearly that's a setup that has worked for me, I've bought 6 of them.
02-25-17, 05:04 PM
#2108
Lexus Test Driver
While I might say I would consider this if it were priced right, even if it is priced right, the only thing that does give me pause is that engine.
While I have no doubts that Lexus does indeed put a lot of effort into quality, there's no recent history of these engines and long-term quality.
It's not like a new NA engine, this is different imo.
Unfortunatelty only time will tell if Lexus can bullet-proof these pressurized engines as much as their NA engines. While this impact may not really matter to new buyers, unless they plan on holding onto this car for a long time. The secondary effects could be bad on the used car market a decade from now if they aren't reliable.
While I have no doubts that Lexus does indeed put a lot of effort into quality, there's no recent history of these engines and long-term quality.
It's not like a new NA engine, this is different imo.
Unfortunatelty only time will tell if Lexus can bullet-proof these pressurized engines as much as their NA engines. While this impact may not really matter to new buyers, unless they plan on holding onto this car for a long time. The secondary effects could be bad on the used car market a decade from now if they aren't reliable.
02-25-17, 05:10 PM
#2109
Lexus Fanatic
While I might say I would consider this if it were priced right, even if it is priced right, the only thing that does give me pause is that engine.
While I have no doubts that Lexus does indeed put a lot of effort into quality, there's no recent history of these engines and long-term quality.
It's not like a new NA engine, this is different imo.
Unfortunatelty only time will tell if Lexus can bullet-proof these pressurized engines as much as their NA engines. While this impact may not really matter to new buyers, unless they plan on holding onto this car for a long time. The secondary effects could be bad on the used car market a decade from now if they aren't reliable.
While I have no doubts that Lexus does indeed put a lot of effort into quality, there's no recent history of these engines and long-term quality.
It's not like a new NA engine, this is different imo.
Unfortunatelty only time will tell if Lexus can bullet-proof these pressurized engines as much as their NA engines. While this impact may not really matter to new buyers, unless they plan on holding onto this car for a long time. The secondary effects could be bad on the used car market a decade from now if they aren't reliable.
IWhy on Earth are worried about this? Come on' seriously? Now you are just posting negatively for the sake of posting negatively.
02-25-17, 05:13 PM
#2110
Lexus Fanatic
I really think that your concerns about reliability on these engines is way overblown. You talk as if this sort of engine is some new cutting edge design, it's not, been around a long time...
02-25-17, 05:18 PM
#2111
Lexus Test Driver
Oh absolutely.
These aren't new, but there isn't much in regards to recent history from Toyota to benchmark against. They could ultimately prove to be very reliable, but the past doesn't always predict the future and frankly this engine, at least from Toyota, doesn't even have that past, at least not yet.
These aren't new, but there isn't much in regards to recent history from Toyota to benchmark against. They could ultimately prove to be very reliable, but the past doesn't always predict the future and frankly this engine, at least from Toyota, doesn't even have that past, at least not yet.
02-25-17, 05:47 PM
#2112
Lexus Fanatic
Well, then the obvious question comes up...........if you've owned six of them, did you actually keep each one long enough to gauge its true long-term reliability? I tend to keep cars about 5-6 years, but I don't put a huge number of miles on them, as I rarely take long trips and am (now) free from everyday commuting.
02-25-17, 05:57 PM
#2113
I have owned five since 1996, and I still have all five doing well.
My oldest has done over 200,000 miles, and is still doing beautifully.
TMC has been making twin turbos since at least the 1980's.
Now is the era of fuel economy and environmental friendliness.
Turbos are a compromise.
However, electric motor driven compressors with exhaust driven turbos are already used in F1 Racing, and Mercedes is debuting the same on their in-line sixes later this year, and this should make the turbos much better in the next several years, to fill the gap, as it will take at least 10 years for electric vehicles to really kick in.
The other gap filler will be the big battery capacity, big electric motor PHEV.
Neither of these two technologies are coming in the 5LS, but I'm sure they will come eventually.
I think that 5LS's main issue will be styling; not engines.
You can never tell, because I never liked the 2000-07 3LS styling, yet it sold very well...
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My oldest has done over 200,000 miles, and is still doing beautifully.
TMC has been making twin turbos since at least the 1980's.
Now is the era of fuel economy and environmental friendliness.
Turbos are a compromise.
However, electric motor driven compressors with exhaust driven turbos are already used in F1 Racing, and Mercedes is debuting the same on their in-line sixes later this year, and this should make the turbos much better in the next several years, to fill the gap, as it will take at least 10 years for electric vehicles to really kick in.
The other gap filler will be the big battery capacity, big electric motor PHEV.
Neither of these two technologies are coming in the 5LS, but I'm sure they will come eventually.
I think that 5LS's main issue will be styling; not engines.
You can never tell, because I never liked the 2000-07 3LS styling, yet it sold very well...
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Last edited by peteharvey; 02-25-17 at 06:11 PM.
02-25-17, 06:19 PM
#2114
Lexus Fanatic
You still have all five of them? That must take up a lot of your time, attention, and finances looking after them. Even if they are reliable and not breaking down, you still have licensing/registration, insurance, oil changes, safety-inspections, emissions-tests (if applicable), property taxes (if applicable), etc...... that's a lot of service-appointments and paperwork.
02-25-17, 06:41 PM
#2115
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by mmarshall
Well, then the obvious question comes up...........if you've owned six of them, did you actually keep each one long enough to gauge its true long-term reliability? I tend to keep cars about 5-6 years, but I don't put a huge number of miles on them, as I rarely take long trips and am (now) free from everyday commuting.