View Poll Results: What should the next LS go after?
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Next Lexus LS (2018 model)
02-20-17, 08:16 AM
#1951
Lexus Fanatic
I'm sure the price will get closer to the S Class but it's not going to be similarly priced yet. Bear in mind even BMW value prices the 7 Series compared to the S Class.
02-20-17, 09:11 AM
#1952
Lexus Test Driver
The LC is a "flagship" coupe by all accounts. I think Lexus even states that or at least infers that.
But you saying it doesn't have to be priced the same due to size is no different than me saying the LS shouldn't be priced the same as the V8 S550 due to engine.
The CT6 is 204 inches I think. That's longer than the LS 460 SWB and just shy of the LS 500 and S550, but many would consider it a step down from both. I certainly do simply because of the V6 engine. But those are my standards.
In any case, in a few years, if they price this thing $90k MSRP, as a prospective brand new LS buyer, I would say that's just way too much for what it currently offers. I'm not saying the LS will languish like the RCF and GSF (or maybe it will at that price), but I think many consider those over priced. I would seriously consider something else if I'm paying that much and plan on leasing.
I chose my current car based on two factors: reliability (one) and frankly, it was a lot cheaper than a comparable German counterpart and it still had that "luxury" brand recognition, more so than Acura. I got a deep discount off the MSRP of this model, which by all accounts is already much less than the current German cars. $20-30k more in sticker is $200-300 more per month in lease payments easily. Not everyone that buys or leases this car is ultra rich. I'm certainly not or I would be driving a brand new Porsche 911 or Mclaren or Maybach (I wish).
If I'm spending that much, especially through leasing, alternatives will definitely come to mind.
But you saying it doesn't have to be priced the same due to size is no different than me saying the LS shouldn't be priced the same as the V8 S550 due to engine.
The CT6 is 204 inches I think. That's longer than the LS 460 SWB and just shy of the LS 500 and S550, but many would consider it a step down from both. I certainly do simply because of the V6 engine. But those are my standards.
In any case, in a few years, if they price this thing $90k MSRP, as a prospective brand new LS buyer, I would say that's just way too much for what it currently offers. I'm not saying the LS will languish like the RCF and GSF (or maybe it will at that price), but I think many consider those over priced. I would seriously consider something else if I'm paying that much and plan on leasing.
I chose my current car based on two factors: reliability (one) and frankly, it was a lot cheaper than a comparable German counterpart and it still had that "luxury" brand recognition, more so than Acura. I got a deep discount off the MSRP of this model, which by all accounts is already much less than the current German cars. $20-30k more in sticker is $200-300 more per month in lease payments easily. Not everyone that buys or leases this car is ultra rich. I'm certainly not or I would be driving a brand new Porsche 911 or Mclaren or Maybach (I wish).
If I'm spending that much, especially through leasing, alternatives will definitely come to mind.
02-20-17, 09:46 AM
#1953
Lexus Fanatic
02-20-17, 09:47 AM
#1954
Lexus Fanatic
02-20-17, 10:09 AM
#1955
Lexus Test Driver
While I'm sure the G90 is a fine car, the point I was trying to make is that the car choices at $90k become more appealing. You've already crested that near $100k benchmark, I'm saying that if I'm going to spend that much, I may as well get something else that has everything that I want. Why compromise at that price?
I personally would consider an S7 before the G90. Or, why not throw caution into the wind and just get the S550. I know dealers are discounting optioned up $110k S550 models for below $100k, which is probably going to the price of an optioned up $90k MSRP LS 500.
I personally would consider an S7 before the G90. Or, why not throw caution into the wind and just get the S550. I know dealers are discounting optioned up $110k S550 models for below $100k, which is probably going to the price of an optioned up $90k MSRP LS 500.
02-20-17, 10:19 AM
#1956
We don't need to battle with price. If it is too high, the demand will be low and they will have to reprise accordingly. If the price is set high and the sales at consistently high, they will introduce higher performance/$$ versions including that V8. This is be a longer game to watch. So far, I think Lexus does well pricing at the lower tiers which correspond to their offerings.
When the price is a few dollars cheaper (I.e fully loaded Avalon vs ES), the Lexus dealership experience, warranty, etc. are worth it vs Toyota. In the high end models, what would another high end buyer get from moving to Lexus? That is why that hasn't been done, and pricing it higher won't get them there. My opinion.
Jill, can you clarify why the changes from the 460 to 500 alone make it an S class competitor? As the LS evolved from the 460 debut in 2006 to the 2013 refresh and then then 500 at the end of this year, the S class also debuted in 2006 and the gap continued to widen with refreshes, new engine choices, all new in 2014 and another refresh due soon after the LS debut.
Similarly, other than size, when did the LS become squarely an S class competitor when it was originally set as an E-class facsimile? I have this same view with the Genesis both models. They are priced at the middle luxury area and want to compete as a value to the luxobarges bases on their size and not much else.
On a separate topic, did you know you. An still get the Infiniti with the V8? Who even knew the car (M/Q70) still even existed. Talk about marketing.
When the price is a few dollars cheaper (I.e fully loaded Avalon vs ES), the Lexus dealership experience, warranty, etc. are worth it vs Toyota. In the high end models, what would another high end buyer get from moving to Lexus? That is why that hasn't been done, and pricing it higher won't get them there. My opinion.
Jill, can you clarify why the changes from the 460 to 500 alone make it an S class competitor? As the LS evolved from the 460 debut in 2006 to the 2013 refresh and then then 500 at the end of this year, the S class also debuted in 2006 and the gap continued to widen with refreshes, new engine choices, all new in 2014 and another refresh due soon after the LS debut.
Similarly, other than size, when did the LS become squarely an S class competitor when it was originally set as an E-class facsimile? I have this same view with the Genesis both models. They are priced at the middle luxury area and want to compete as a value to the luxobarges bases on their size and not much else.
On a separate topic, did you know you. An still get the Infiniti with the V8? Who even knew the car (M/Q70) still even existed. Talk about marketing.
02-20-17, 10:21 AM
#1957
Originally Posted by Rhambler
While I'm sure the G90 is a fine car, the point I was trying to make is that the car choices at $90k become more appealing. You've already crested that near $100k benchmark, I'm saying that if I'm going to spend that much, I may as well get something else that has everything that I want. Why compromise at that price?
I personally would consider an S7 before the G90. Or, why not throw caution into the wind and just get the S550. I know dealers are discounting optioned up $110k S550 models for below $100k, which is probably going to the price of an optioned up $90k MSRP LS 500.
I personally would consider an S7 before the G90. Or, why not throw caution into the wind and just get the S550. I know dealers are discounting optioned up $110k S550 models for below $100k, which is probably going to the price of an optioned up $90k MSRP LS 500.
02-20-17, 10:36 AM
#1958
Lexus Fanatic
While I'm sure the G90 is a fine car, the point I was trying to make is that the car choices at $90k become more appealing. You've already crested that near $100k benchmark, I'm saying that if I'm going to spend that much, I may as well get something else that has everything that I want. Why compromise at that price?
I personally would consider an S7 before the G90. Or, why not throw caution into the wind and just get the S550. I know dealers are discounting optioned up $110k S550 models for below $100k, which is probably going to the price of an optioned up $90k MSRP LS 500.
I personally would consider an S7 before the G90. Or, why not throw caution into the wind and just get the S550. I know dealers are discounting optioned up $110k S550 models for below $100k, which is probably going to the price of an optioned up $90k MSRP LS 500.
02-20-17, 10:46 AM
#1959
Lexus Test Driver
But I do like that car a lot.
02-20-17, 11:58 AM
#1960
Who knows what the prices will be like, but I can't imagine it being too much higher than the current model.
The better the all new package is, the more they can charge, but styling and V6 TT are already set backs, while wheelbase will actually increase the pricing.
Just have to wait and see, and then, if the car sells well, prices will hold or rise, while if it sells poorly, then they must give discounts like the hydrogen fuel cell Mirai.
The better the all new package is, the more they can charge, but styling and V6 TT are already set backs, while wheelbase will actually increase the pricing.
Just have to wait and see, and then, if the car sells well, prices will hold or rise, while if it sells poorly, then they must give discounts like the hydrogen fuel cell Mirai.
02-20-17, 12:14 PM
#1961
Lexus Fanatic
While I'm sure the G90 is a fine car, the point I was trying to make is that the car choices at $90k become more appealing. You've already crested that near $100k benchmark, I'm saying that if I'm going to spend that much, I may as well get something else that has everything that I want. Why compromise at that price?
I personally would consider an S7 before the G90
02-20-17, 12:47 PM
#1962
Yes, a love for the Audi S7 or Lexus F Sport indicates that a person has niche sporty tastes, which is something different from what the mainstream market is after, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with niche tastes; just that the manufacturer may target the mainstream market first.
Democracy is about majority power.
The majority market is catered first.
Democracy is about majority power.
The majority market is catered first.
02-21-17, 04:26 PM
#1963
Lexus LS 350 Trademark Registered in Japan
I was on Lexus Enthusiast reading about the LC F Nameplate being trademarked which is big news, but I also saw that LS 350 is being trademarked in Japan.
02-22-17, 09:04 PM
#1964
For those thinking this car can be priced towards the German V8 equivalents, here's a question: why didn't Lexus price the LC towards the same price as the S-class coupe?
The S-class coupe MSRPs north of $120k. The S550 at $97k.
If the LC is the same "flagship" in regards the LS being the same "flagship" against the S550, why is it priced $30k less than the S-class coupe?
The S-class coupe MSRPs north of $120k. The S550 at $97k.
If the LC is the same "flagship" in regards the LS being the same "flagship" against the S550, why is it priced $30k less than the S-class coupe?
The LC is a "flagship" coupe by all accounts. I think Lexus even states that or at least infers that.
But you saying it doesn't have to be priced the same due to size is no different than me saying the LS shouldn't be priced the same as the V8 S550 due to engine.
The CT6 is 204 inches I think. That's longer than the LS 460 SWB and just shy of the LS 500 and S550, but many would consider it a step down from both. I certainly do simply because of the V6 engine. But those are my standards.
In any case, in a few years, if they price this thing $90k MSRP, as a prospective brand new LS buyer, I would say that's just way too much for what it currently offers. I'm not saying the LS will languish like the RCF and GSF (or maybe it will at that price), but I think many consider those over priced. I would seriously consider something else if I'm paying that much and plan on leasing.
I chose my current car based on two factors: reliability (one) and frankly, it was a lot cheaper than a comparable German counterpart and it still had that "luxury" brand recognition, more so than Acura. I got a deep discount off the MSRP of this model, which by all accounts is already much less than the current German cars. $20-30k more in sticker is $200-300 more per month in lease payments easily. Not everyone that buys or leases this car is ultra rich. I'm certainly not or I would be driving a brand new Porsche 911 or Mclaren or Maybach (I wish).
If I'm spending that much, especially through leasing, alternatives will definitely come to mind.
But you saying it doesn't have to be priced the same due to size is no different than me saying the LS shouldn't be priced the same as the V8 S550 due to engine.
The CT6 is 204 inches I think. That's longer than the LS 460 SWB and just shy of the LS 500 and S550, but many would consider it a step down from both. I certainly do simply because of the V6 engine. But those are my standards.
In any case, in a few years, if they price this thing $90k MSRP, as a prospective brand new LS buyer, I would say that's just way too much for what it currently offers. I'm not saying the LS will languish like the RCF and GSF (or maybe it will at that price), but I think many consider those over priced. I would seriously consider something else if I'm paying that much and plan on leasing.
I chose my current car based on two factors: reliability (one) and frankly, it was a lot cheaper than a comparable German counterpart and it still had that "luxury" brand recognition, more so than Acura. I got a deep discount off the MSRP of this model, which by all accounts is already much less than the current German cars. $20-30k more in sticker is $200-300 more per month in lease payments easily. Not everyone that buys or leases this car is ultra rich. I'm certainly not or I would be driving a brand new Porsche 911 or Mclaren or Maybach (I wish).
If I'm spending that much, especially through leasing, alternatives will definitely come to mind.
02-22-17, 10:12 PM
#1965
LC Coupe is sporting luxury.
S Class Coupe is mostly luxury.
S Class Coupe is mostly luxury.