View Poll Results: What should the next LS go after?
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Next Lexus LS (2018 model)
01-16-17, 03:51 PM
#1516
Lexus Fanatic
01-16-17, 03:54 PM
#1517
Lexus Fanatic
It's actually G-AL, but I was talking about the BMW discussion. Modular architecture is really awesome, I'm loving all the adjustability of platforms these days. I find it interesting that Lexus doesn't seem particularly keen to introduce carbon fiber in G-AL, given their expertise. Must've been too expensive.
I would love to see this, although I'm sure their investors don't want to see Cadillac syndrome to occur. You know, when the market decides your car is overpriced then you're forced to roll out aggressive discounts. I say full steam ahead with higher prices for this car though. I would love to see the vote of confidence.
I would love to see this, although I'm sure their investors don't want to see Cadillac syndrome to occur. You know, when the market decides your car is overpriced then you're forced to roll out aggressive discounts. I say full steam ahead with higher prices for this car though. I would love to see the vote of confidence.
01-16-17, 03:57 PM
#1519
Lexus Fanatic
It's actually G-AL, but I was talking about the BMW discussion. Modular architecture is really awesome, I'm loving all the adjustability of platforms these days. I find it interesting that Lexus doesn't seem particularly keen to introduce carbon fiber in G-AL, given their expertise. Must've been too expensive.
I would love to see this, although I'm sure their investors don't want to see Cadillac syndrome to occur. You know, when the market decides your car is overpriced then you're forced to roll out aggressive discounts. I say full steam ahead with higher prices for this car though. I would love to see the vote of confidence.
I would love to see this, although I'm sure their investors don't want to see Cadillac syndrome to occur. You know, when the market decides your car is overpriced then you're forced to roll out aggressive discounts. I say full steam ahead with higher prices for this car though. I would love to see the vote of confidence.
01-16-17, 03:58 PM
#1520
Lexus Fanatic
Well, that is basically one of the issues we were discussing earlier in this long thread. Sometimes a big forum like CL (And/or other big forums like it), if enough members express a certain view, can make a difference in marketing. But not always. I've remarked, many times, on how auto marketers seem determined to produce what they think people want, instead of what people actually want. Scion was a good example. It was going to be such a big panacea for young people...simple, easy, no-haggle deals like with Saturn, cool/mod/chic styling on the vehicles (or what the company perceived as cool/mod/chic LOL), Toyota reliability for the vehicles, etc...... In fact, it turned out to be a flop....and many of the buyers they did get, especially for the xB, were in fact older people LOL. We saw the same misguidedness from Acura in refusing to get rid of the parrot-beaks, in spite if the fact them most people despised them...and Acura suffered in the long run. The fact is that, even of you pursue new (or younger) customers, you simply cannot ignore your core-buyers, which is what some companies are doing today.
01-16-17, 04:05 PM
#1521
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by TangoRed
It's actually G-AL
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-new...ar-march-2016/
The Lexus blueprint is in the shredder, as Akio Toyoda, Toyota boss and grandson of the company’s founder, strives to make his premium brand famous for more than just precision build, reliability, whining hybrids and engineers who make cars handle in spite of – not because of – the chassis raw materials. And this is the first strike in that mission: the all-new GA-L architecture, underpinning this 467hp LC 500 coupe and all future Lexus crossovers and saloons from IS upwards.
If the PR-hype is to be believed Toyoda’s epiphany dates back to the 2011 Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance, where he unveiled the fourth-generation GS saloon with its Samurai chain-mail grille, just as Lexus’s 11-year hegemony as the pre-eminent US luxury car brand was coming to an end.
Toyoda appointed himself ‘chief branding officer and master driver for Lexus’ (arguably he needs a rebrand on that job title), but his passion for racing and dynamics has underpinned GA-L: global architecture – luxury vehicles.
Lexus rolls out the big guns: new 467bhp LC 500 coupe revealed in Detroit
The 5.0-litre V8 is pushed back to a front/mid-engined position, weight distribution is 52:48 front:rear, and the body structure is, Lexus claims, more torsionally rigid than the all-carbonfibre LFA supercar’s.
Extensive use of high-strength steels in the sills, lower ‘A’ posts, upper ‘B’ posts and cross beams enhances rigidity. Steel floorpan and inner wing pressings keep weight low down for a better centre of gravity. And while the rakish, 2+2 coupe’s bonnet, wings and outer door skins are aluminium, the latter feature lightweight carbonfibre reinforced plastic inners. Optional carbonfibre roof can replace a standard glass panel.
The coupe also bloods an innovative multi-link front suspension set-up, specially engineered and packaged so as to preserve the lines of the 2012 LF-LC concept which spawned the new coupe.
With a likely £90,000 price when UK sales start in 2017, the LC 500 will compete with Maserati’s GranTurismo and the BMW M6. It should sound riotous on its way to 62mph in less than 4.5sec, thanks to a dual-snorkel induction system, active baffles that open in Sport and a sound generator kicking in under acceleration. Expect a similar technical and aural overhaul for the hybrid: the story should be on www.carmagazine.co.uk as you read this.
If it pans out as Lexus intends, GA-L should provide the platform for 100,000 annual sales in Europe by 2020. And the master driver will have started unlocking the brand’s potential.
01-16-17, 04:24 PM
#1522
Lexus Test Driver
What I was trying to point out with the MSRP data was that historically the LS was always a less expensive alternative. In 2007, it came out at roughly $8k less than the competitors AND offered more HP and was faster.
I honestly don't see why or how that trend would change.
What advantage does it offer over the others? The only advantage it has is that this V6 beats the other V6s. And, like in 2007, with that in hand, I do believe it should be price pointed around the V6s and, if history is any judge, it should probably be less, although I doubt they can pull off $8k less like in 2007.
I bet the Audi barely nudges too. That's one thing I've been following closely lately, Audi prices, especially in regards to generational changes.
Yes, I judge cars by the engine. That is the center point for me and probably for most car people and that's why I compared and contrasted based entirely on that fact as that does impact my car decision.
I honestly don't see why or how that trend would change.
What advantage does it offer over the others? The only advantage it has is that this V6 beats the other V6s. And, like in 2007, with that in hand, I do believe it should be price pointed around the V6s and, if history is any judge, it should probably be less, although I doubt they can pull off $8k less like in 2007.
I bet the Audi barely nudges too. That's one thing I've been following closely lately, Audi prices, especially in regards to generational changes.
Yes, I judge cars by the engine. That is the center point for me and probably for most car people and that's why I compared and contrasted based entirely on that fact as that does impact my car decision.
01-16-17, 04:38 PM
#1523
Lead Lap
Well, that is basically one of the issues we were discussing earlier in this long thread. Sometimes a big forum like CL (And/or other big forums like it), if enough members express a certain view, can make a difference in marketing. But not always. I've remarked, many times, on how auto marketers seem determined to produce what they think people want, instead of what people actually want. Scion was a good example. It was going to be such a big panacea for young people...simple, easy, no-haggle deals like with Saturn, cool/mod/chic styling on the vehicles (or what the company perceived as cool/mod/chic LOL), Toyota reliability for the vehicles, etc...... In fact, it turned out to be a flop....and many of the buyers they did get, especially for the xB, were in fact older people LOL. We saw the same misguidedness from Acura in refusing to get rid of the parrot-beaks, in spite if the fact them most people despised them...and Acura suffered in the long run. The fact is that, even of you pursue new (or younger) customers, you simply cannot ignore your core-buyers, which is what some companies are doing today.
What I was trying to point out with the MSRP data was that historically the LS was always a less expensive alternative. In 2007, it came out at roughly $8k less than the competitors AND offered more HP and was faster.
I honestly don't see why or how that trend would change.
What advantage does it offer over the others? The only advantage it has is that this V6 beats the other V6s. And, like in 2007, with that in hand, I do believe it should be price pointed around the V6s and, if history is any judge, it should probably be less, although I doubt they can pull off $8k less like in 2007.
I bet the Audi barely nudges too. That's one thing I've been following closely lately, Audi prices, especially in regards to generational changes.
Yes, I judge cars by the engine. That is the center point for me and probably for most car people and that's why I compared and contrasted based entirely on that fact as that does impact my car decision.
I honestly don't see why or how that trend would change.
What advantage does it offer over the others? The only advantage it has is that this V6 beats the other V6s. And, like in 2007, with that in hand, I do believe it should be price pointed around the V6s and, if history is any judge, it should probably be less, although I doubt they can pull off $8k less like in 2007.
I bet the Audi barely nudges too. That's one thing I've been following closely lately, Audi prices, especially in regards to generational changes.
Yes, I judge cars by the engine. That is the center point for me and probably for most car people and that's why I compared and contrasted based entirely on that fact as that does impact my car decision.
Last edited by TangoRed; 01-16-17 at 04:50 PM.
01-16-17, 04:51 PM
#1524
Lexus Test Driver
That's a very easy question to answer Tango: when it has the sales volume to back it up.
The Mercedes S550 is the most expensive yet still outsells everything else in its class. To me, that is justification in itself that its price point is good.
Based on past precedent, I don't belive Lexus is there yet with the LS. If this thing sells like hotcakes at $80k, then maybe it can start raising that price point. Can it reach Mercedes price levels? Tall order.
Also, the price appreciation per year has been fairly consistent, numerically and percentage wise. All of them have appreciated in MSRP fairly consistently, Lexus too, but remember Lexus started lower. I'm not sure it can handle a bigger jump. I don't believe this generation offers enough to justify it. Especially with just one engine.
IF Lexus does plan on introducing a V8 later, it would need some headroom as well, which would even more so justify the $80k MSRP, giving them some headway to $90k+, remaining slightly cheaper than the 750 et al.
The Mercedes S550 is the most expensive yet still outsells everything else in its class. To me, that is justification in itself that its price point is good.
Based on past precedent, I don't belive Lexus is there yet with the LS. If this thing sells like hotcakes at $80k, then maybe it can start raising that price point. Can it reach Mercedes price levels? Tall order.
Also, the price appreciation per year has been fairly consistent, numerically and percentage wise. All of them have appreciated in MSRP fairly consistently, Lexus too, but remember Lexus started lower. I'm not sure it can handle a bigger jump. I don't believe this generation offers enough to justify it. Especially with just one engine.
IF Lexus does plan on introducing a V8 later, it would need some headroom as well, which would even more so justify the $80k MSRP, giving them some headway to $90k+, remaining slightly cheaper than the 750 et al.
01-16-17, 05:06 PM
#1525
Lead Lap
That's a very easy question to answer Tango: when it has the sales volume to back it up.
The Mercedes S550 is the most expensive yet still outsells everything else in its class. To me, that is justification in itself that its price point is good.
Based on past precedent, I don't belive Lexus is there yet with the LS. If this thing sells like hotcakes at $80k, then maybe it can start raising that price point. Can it reach Mercedes price levels? Tall order.
The Mercedes S550 is the most expensive yet still outsells everything else in its class. To me, that is justification in itself that its price point is good.
Based on past precedent, I don't belive Lexus is there yet with the LS. If this thing sells like hotcakes at $80k, then maybe it can start raising that price point. Can it reach Mercedes price levels? Tall order.
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html
01-16-17, 05:25 PM
#1526
Lexus Test Driver
Yeah, but at a much lower price point. That's the amazing thing: Mercedes can outsell anyone in this class and with a much higher price.
Look at that chart again, it's dizzying at the price differences.
But again, I'm just speculating. Lexus very well could throw thing out closer to $90k, which would be nuts imo and sell worse than the GSF.
Look at that chart again, it's dizzying at the price differences.
But again, I'm just speculating. Lexus very well could throw thing out closer to $90k, which would be nuts imo and sell worse than the GSF.
01-16-17, 05:31 PM
#1527
Lead Lap
I saw one on the street last weekend was startled. I had completely forgot they existed.
01-16-17, 07:19 PM
#1528
Lexus Champion
Mercedes sells mostly on name and recognition that it's upscale and luxury. I won't say that's false, but imo, it's not so much more deserving than other premium brands like Lexus. In Europe they aren't known as 'luxury king'. That's a perception they have over here, at least. I prefer this new LS. I like the S-Class, but I really like the new LS's looks and that sleek design it has. I don't think it'll drop the V8, and I think it'll get an F-Sport variation at some point and maybe even a full on LS F which would be awesome.
01-16-17, 07:40 PM
#1529
Lexus Fanatic
Mercedes sells mostly on name and recognition that it's upscale and luxury. I won't say that's false, but imo, it's not so much more deserving than other premium brands like Lexus. In Europe they aren't known as 'luxury king'. That's a perception they have over here, at least.
01-16-17, 07:54 PM
#1530
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
just caught this a bit late... aaand... huh??? acura's been roundly trashed for pricing the rlx as high as they have. no one thinks it's worth it.
