yowps3

Yeah to the regular RWD one

spwolf

yep... if we follow Toyota news, they often say this - for instance with Prius moving from 1.5l to 1.8l, and even their LMP1 class hybrid got upsized V8 to get better consumption :-).

There is probably a sweet spot for each configuration.

yowps3

Hyundai is a company that seems to understand the inherent advantages of having six of more cylinders on more upmarket products..

Hoovey689

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Second day I had my IS I thought I was doing 80mph when I looked at the speedometer and was really doing 100mph on the freeway. Smooth smooth smooth.

Byprodrive

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All manufacturers are rushing to meet the coming CAFE MPG requirements. That means they must reduce engine displacement size, no other way to achieve required MPG goals. 2 engines, same displacement size using identical parts with the only design difference being 4cyl vs. 6cyl. The 4cyl will make more low rpm torque by virtue of it's larger cylinder. When you 1st start the engine the 1st cylinder that ignites has to have enough torque (twisting force) to rotate the crankshaft enough to ignite the next cylinder. Otherwise the engine will die & you have to use the starter motor to try again. Additional cylinders makes the ignitions closer in the firing order but the cylinders must be large enough to start the engine. Since the firing ignition events are closer together they are smoother, And since the parts are smaller & thus lighter they have less resistance to accelerating.
If it's not too late for long story short: 6 cylinder engine displacement cannot be reduced enough to meet future MPG requirements & maintain acceptable NVH standards. There is a definite point of diminishing returns in engine design. Ever notice how MBZ AMG vehicles use V-8's & the top luxury models are V-12's?

yowps3

Yeah I know exactly what you mean. The engine revs with absolutely no abruption. And speed builds up smoothly.

Hoovey689

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Great points

yardie876

While the 3.5L trumps the 2.5, there's just something rewarding with revving the snot out of these 2.5 and being able to use the whole rpm range during every day driving. Can't really do that with the 3.5 (even less so with the 5.0) without hitting illegal speeds pretty quickly.

Stroock639

i'm seriously jealous of you, i wish i could enjoy life that easily. what's the fastest car you've ever been in if you don't mind me asking

Hoovey689

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The 4GR-FSE was a decent engine. Unfortunately it was unloved by many simply because they didn't understand it's placement, nor did the carbon build up help its cause. The 2.5L V6 was released at a time when many premium automakers used 3.0L 6 cylinders but were transitioning to larger 6's. Benz had used a series of 2.5, 2.6 and 2.8L V6's before and during, and Acura had a spunky albeit raucous 2.4 I4 with 205hp. The 4GR with similar horsepower and more torque proved to be a gem of refinement and does like to be revved. In terms of horsepower it was adequate for a V6, but the reality of it was, the 4GR was more of a 4-cylinder competitor with similar displacement but two extra cylinders to keep things smooth, wheras the 3.5L serves as the real V6 offering. The GX460 is a prime example of a powertrain that is outclassed by a more modern V8 with it's V6 like horsepower (301hp). However view it as a V6 competitor and suddenly the GX stands out more because of it's extra cylinders 8 > 6 = more refined. As for the carbon build up, it would have helped somewhat to have port injection like it's larger 3.5L sibling, but truth is the vast majority of IS250 owners are not enthusiasts and simply drive point A to point B. If people would push their cars a little harder every now and then, they'd flush more potential particle build-up from the engine.

Anyway this isn't meant to be too much a discussion on the 4GR. As it stands there is one automaker that bolsters the thread topic well and that is Ford and it's new EcoBoost 2.7L V6. A great example of downsized displacement and cylinder retention. There are 4 applications and states of tune:

Ford F-150 325 hp (242 kW) @ 5750 rpm, 375 lb·ft (508 N·m) @ 3000 rpm
Lincoln MKX 335 hp (250 kW), 380 lb·ft (515 N·m)
Ford Edge Sport 315 hp (235 kW) @ 4,750, 350 lb·ft (475 N·m) @ 2,750 rpm
Ford Fusion Sport 325 hp (242 kW), 350 lb·ft (475 N·m)

So if most of today's six cylinders range 3.0L+, what Automaker might be the next to add a V6 of 2.9L or lower (could be NA or FI)?

chikoo

Not to forget the 2.0L and 2.5L v6 Mazda Millenia

Toys4RJill

It doesn't matter how smooth or what place the 2.5 had or if people did not understand the motor. It was a dog in the IS and premium fuel didn't help. My sister had that set up, underpowered as hell for a V6.

Hoovey689

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Another good example. Those in turn were essentially replaced by the Ford Duratec 3.0, a 3.5L V6, and 3.7L 'Cyclone' in the CX-9 before Mazda switched over to a FI 4 most recently. Mazda and Volvo have both said goodbye to 6's it seems.

-J-P-L-

Here's a very detailed and informative presentation of the new CX-9, in particular it's new 2.5 turbo.
It's discussed by the Mazda engineer himself and he does a great job explaining the new techniques used in this new powerplant.

Warning: You will want to buy one after watching.

chikoo

Didn't help do what? The IS250 became the benchmark for smaller engines that other such as infinity tried to duplicate.