mmarshall

I agree they are in short supply....I see a lot of the same nonsense behind the wheel in my area. Still doesn't change my opinion, though, that common sense is the best policy.

LexFather

If you want the best overall enthusiast hybrid sedan, the GS 450h is the choice, though costlier. The Q50 hybrid is fast with great MPG but lacks the handling/sport which continues to surprise reviewers who expected a drive similar to the G37.

bagwell

definitely true but....whoa....GS450h starts @ $60K? vs Q50 Hybrid @ $44K. (Only option in my area on the GS 450h is nav pkg @ $5580 bringing the price to $67K versus Q50 w/nav @ $51K)

LexFather

Yeah huge price difference. Worth it to me though but the Q50 hybrid is a big value if you keep it under 50 grand to me. Loaded it can hit near 60k. Around 50k, really nice car, 30 MPG, 0-60 in low 5s, good size, great looks, etc. Its not really fair to compare it head on with the GS 450h which is a higher level car and priced as such. However if you can swing it, it is the superior vehicle.

Kudos to Infinit for offering the Q50 hybrid with the sport package as Lexus does not with the GS 450h in the states. (the F-sport package is more intense than their Sport pack).

mmarshall

Would you have bought or leased an F-Sport GS Hybrid if they had offered one here? :uh That obviously would have been a pretty expensive ride..........although it may be a moot point, considering that you now have an even more upmarket F-Sport LS in the family.

LexFather

Yes we would have and I have given Lexus the feedback. Their case though is super solid, the GS 450h sells around 50 units a month here and an F-sport model wouldn't add enough volume to warrant bringing it here. It is the main sore spot my wife mentions with her car, the MPG.

bagwell

what's her average MPG with her car? [A5 2.0t is perfect for my wife...averages about 300 miles a week @30mpg, she doesn't need any more TQ/hp, altho I can get it tuned to 270hp for about $800].

tough to beat something like this tho....

Lease for $349.00 /mo. for 39 months with $1,220 down. Expires 06/30/2014....includes NAV.

mmarshall

I agree with you on the business case......it seems pretty clear.

Well, if it makes you feel any better (or gives you or your wife some consolation) the LS models of today deliver better mileage with as much, if not better, noise-isolation/refinement and overall driving pleasure as some of the enormous 60's vintage 5000-lbs.+ luxury cars I grew up with and loved..........Lincoln Continental, Buick Electra, Olds 98, Chrysler New Yorker/Imperial, Mercury Marquis, and Cadillac de Ville. Only back then, you paid dearly in MPG for that riding comfort......7-10 MPG in town, 14-17 on the road, and had a car a block long that handled like a battleship and was almost impossible to park. (I still liked them anyway). Today, in comparison, your LS, though not an economy-car by any means, gets far better mileage, is much easier to park (especially with the automatic parallel-parking system), and requires much less maintenance, though the F-Sport chassis may firm up the ride a little.