April 2014 Sales Thread
05-01-14, 02:54 PM
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I think they have the potential to sell a $50k sedan, but damn they need to make one that's worth $50k first! Their sedan offerings make no sense because aside from the ILX, the TL/TLX is basically the same size as the RL/RLX and the interior design is so similar they might as well be the same car.
At least with the ES/GS midsize sedans, there are considerable differences with the FWD vs. RWD, luxury vs. sport, and the overall interior being better in the GS. With the TLX/RLX, the difference seems to be a bit of size and a V6 hybrid.
At least with the ES/GS midsize sedans, there are considerable differences with the FWD vs. RWD, luxury vs. sport, and the overall interior being better in the GS. With the TLX/RLX, the difference seems to be a bit of size and a V6 hybrid.
05-01-14, 02:58 PM
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05-01-14, 03:38 PM
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With Kia Motors America (KMA) celebrating its 20th anniversary, the company's 1st-quarter momentum continued into April with record sales of 53,676 vehicles, a 12.9-percent increase over the same month in 2013. Record monthly sales were led by the U.S.-built* Optima midsize sedan with 14,589 units sold, while the Soul urban passenger vehicle achieved an all-time single-month sales record of 14,403 units sold. In addition, Kia marked the sale of its five millionth vehicle in the U.S. in April and entered into the top 10 among mass-market brands in J.D. Power's latest Customer Service Index (CSI) Survey.
"The Kia brand has grown and matured in this market for two decades, and we reached another significant milestone in April by selling our 5 millionth vehicle in the U.S., which is a testament to our philosophy of advancing value to new levels of sophistication with world-class design, advanced technology and outstanding quality in every segment in which we compete, from sub-compact to luxury," said Michael Sprague, executive vice president of sales and marketing, KMA.
Kia's aggressive product launch cadence continued in April with the world debut of the completely redesigned 2015 Sedona at the New York International Auto Show. Scheduled to arrive in showrooms in October of this year, the all-new Sedona will join the K900 flagship sedan – which continues to arrive in select showrooms – in supporting Kia's long-term strategy to concentrate on quality, strengthen the brand, elevate the ownership experience and identify and enter new segments for growth.
05-01-14, 04:11 PM
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love how acura is CL's pinata. 
but might want to check first... the rlx is 6 inches longer than the tlx. it has tons more rear seat room in particular.
and while i've no interest in either, the rlx hybrid has some pretty impressive stats.
Horsepower: 377, Torque: 377 lb-ft.
0-60 mph: 5.0-seconds
EPA: 28 mpg city/ 32 mpg highway
motorweek praised both the non-hybrid and hybrid version.
and while value is up for debate, this awd complex hybrid sedan is half the price of an LS600.
but might want to check first... the rlx is 6 inches longer than the tlx. it has tons more rear seat room in particular.and while i've no interest in either, the rlx hybrid has some pretty impressive stats.
Horsepower: 377, Torque: 377 lb-ft.
0-60 mph: 5.0-seconds
EPA: 28 mpg city/ 32 mpg highway
motorweek praised both the non-hybrid and hybrid version.
and while value is up for debate, this awd complex hybrid sedan is half the price of an LS600.
05-01-14, 04:32 PM
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Wow, only 353 RLX sales in April? Ok, it's time to put this dying dog down. Seriously, it's only a year old and despite aggressive marketing, it's a complete and total sales flop. The ILX at least has a chance to improve with new powertrains. But the RLX? needs to be discontinued. Once the TLX comes out, the RLX will drop down to double digits. Acura should have kept the TSX and made the TLX their flagship. They simply cannot sell a 50k+ sedan.
05-01-14, 06:45 PM
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love how acura is CL's pinata. but might want to check first... the rlx is 6 inches longer than the tlx. it has tons more rear seat room in particular.
and while i've no interest in either, the rlx hybrid has some pretty impressive stats.
Horsepower: 377, Torque: 377 lb-ft.
0-60 mph: 5.0-seconds
EPA: 28 mpg city/ 32 mpg highway
motorweek praised both the non-hybrid and hybrid version.
and while value is up for debate, this awd complex hybrid sedan is half the price of an LS600.
but might want to check first... the rlx is 6 inches longer than the tlx. it has tons more rear seat room in particular.and while i've no interest in either, the rlx hybrid has some pretty impressive stats.
Horsepower: 377, Torque: 377 lb-ft.
0-60 mph: 5.0-seconds
EPA: 28 mpg city/ 32 mpg highway
motorweek praised both the non-hybrid and hybrid version.
and while value is up for debate, this awd complex hybrid sedan is half the price of an LS600.
The RLX is known though out the car world as the exact opposite of a value. To compare it to a LS 600h L is beyond preposterous and reaching at levels rarely seen. You are comparing an Accord based car to the flagship of Japanese and Asian luxury? Really? Can you buy the RLX hybrid yet? You can buy the LS 600h L, since 2007 actually....
The RLX was DOA and you even agreed. Most with a clue stated the same. You had your small group of fanboys taunting it was going to do well. Then they jumped on the hybrid bandwagon stating that is going to do well. Well as I stated the volume will be limited, maybe 1-2 a dealer. We are talking 500 cars. So the hybrid won't do a thing for sales.
Who cares about MotorWeek, everyone else blasted the car.
Most people see no value in a car that looks like an Accord, is still Accord based and offers little more luxury than an ES and its FWD to boot (a very good AWD hybrid system added in on a car you still cannot buy) Thus you can get 10-12k off MSRP a car that is newest in class and sales STILL have not hit 1000 units. Its a good car surely but good doesn't cut it in this extremely competitive class. You have an amazing 5 series, E class, GS, A6, XF, CTS and even the new Maserati Ghilbi to contend with. You now have real value in an Avalon, an Impala, and the new luxury offerings from Kia and Hyundai. If you are not going to be exceptional, then you better at least have the badge power.
Good luck selling a 70k Acura sedan. lol at "value" compared to the finest Japanese luxury sedan every made, the Lexus LS 600h L. Apples to Oranges. Comparing it to the GS 450h and it still doesn't seem like a value, they are priced pretty equally. If Lexus, nor BMW, nor Porsche can sell an expensive hybrid sedan in large quantities, what makes Honda think they can?
Luxury at that price is a very emotional purchase. At 70k it better get some juices going. Will there be a handful that like the car and buy it? Yup. Does the 30 MPG hybrid appeal to logic? Yes. Has it been done before? Yes. Will it sell? Nope.
We are talking about the same challenges they have had on the RL/RLX for nearly 20 years. Think about that for a second.
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05-01-14, 07:05 PM
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Please don't disrespect Clublexus stating we are beating it like a Pińata and trying to call people out. The press has, all forums have and consumers have spoken with their wallets by not buying it. You are acting like this is the only place making these very valid comments?
The RLX is known though out the car world as the exact opposite of a value. To compare it to a LS 600h L is beyond preposterous and reaching at levels rarely seen. You are comparing an Accord based car to the flagship of Japanese and Asian luxury? Really? Can you buy the RLX hybrid yet? You can buy the LS 600h L, since 2007 actually....
The RLX was DOA and you even agreed. Most with a clue stated the same. You had your small group of fanboys taunting it was going to do well. Then they jumped on the hybrid bandwagon stating that is going to do well. Well as I stated the volume will be limited, maybe 1-2 a dealer. We are talking 500 cars. So the hybrid won't do a thing for sales.
Who cares about MotorWeek, everyone else blasted the car.
Most people see no value in a car that looks like an Accord, is still Accord based and offers little more luxury than an ES and its FWD to boot (a very good AWD hybrid system added in on a car you still cannot buy) Thus you can get 10-12k off MSRP a car that is newest in class and sales STILL have not hit 1000 units. Its a good car surely but good doesn't cut it in this extremely competitive class. You have an amazing 5 series, E class, GS, A6, XF, CTS and even the new Maserati Ghilbi to contend with. You now have real value in an Avalon, an Impala, and the new luxury offerings from Kia and Hyundai. If you are not going to be exceptional, then you better at least have the badge power.
Good luck selling a 70k Acura sedan. lol at "value" compared to the finest Japanese luxury sedan every made, the Lexus LS 600h L. Apples to Oranges. Comparing it to the GS 450h and it still doesn't seem like a value, they are priced pretty equally. If Lexus, nor BMW, nor Porsche can sell an expensive hybrid sedan in large quantities, what makes Honda think they can?
Luxury at that price is a very emotional purchase. At 70k it better get some juices going. Will there be a handful that like the car and buy it? Yup. Does the 30 MPG hybrid appeal to logic? Yes. Has it been done before? Yes. Will it sell? Nope.
We are talking about the same challenges they have had on the RL/RLX for nearly 20 years. Think about that for a second.
The RLX is known though out the car world as the exact opposite of a value. To compare it to a LS 600h L is beyond preposterous and reaching at levels rarely seen. You are comparing an Accord based car to the flagship of Japanese and Asian luxury? Really? Can you buy the RLX hybrid yet? You can buy the LS 600h L, since 2007 actually....
The RLX was DOA and you even agreed. Most with a clue stated the same. You had your small group of fanboys taunting it was going to do well. Then they jumped on the hybrid bandwagon stating that is going to do well. Well as I stated the volume will be limited, maybe 1-2 a dealer. We are talking 500 cars. So the hybrid won't do a thing for sales.
Who cares about MotorWeek, everyone else blasted the car.
Most people see no value in a car that looks like an Accord, is still Accord based and offers little more luxury than an ES and its FWD to boot (a very good AWD hybrid system added in on a car you still cannot buy) Thus you can get 10-12k off MSRP a car that is newest in class and sales STILL have not hit 1000 units. Its a good car surely but good doesn't cut it in this extremely competitive class. You have an amazing 5 series, E class, GS, A6, XF, CTS and even the new Maserati Ghilbi to contend with. You now have real value in an Avalon, an Impala, and the new luxury offerings from Kia and Hyundai. If you are not going to be exceptional, then you better at least have the badge power.
Good luck selling a 70k Acura sedan. lol at "value" compared to the finest Japanese luxury sedan every made, the Lexus LS 600h L. Apples to Oranges. Comparing it to the GS 450h and it still doesn't seem like a value, they are priced pretty equally. If Lexus, nor BMW, nor Porsche can sell an expensive hybrid sedan in large quantities, what makes Honda think they can?
Luxury at that price is a very emotional purchase. At 70k it better get some juices going. Will there be a handful that like the car and buy it? Yup. Does the 30 MPG hybrid appeal to logic? Yes. Has it been done before? Yes. Will it sell? Nope.
We are talking about the same challenges they have had on the RL/RLX for nearly 20 years. Think about that for a second.
When it comes time to criticizing Acura - ur the first in line.
Every month, same thing.
RLX is a failure and TLX will prob also sell poorly.
At NY Auto show, Acura dislplay was a Ghost town.
05-01-14, 07:08 PM
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GS up 21%. I think the new marketing/advertising is working and word of mouth is really getting out about how great the vehicle is along with aggressive leases like the competition. GX facelift has really helped sales..up 140% from last year....
Lexus up 23%
GS is up 28.8% this year
Lexus up 23%
GS is up 28.8% this year
05-01-14, 07:11 PM
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-Strong sales on the MB side, narrowly edging out BMW.
-Lexus is sitting pretty, glad to hear the GS is gaining traction and the IS hasn't lost momentum
-MB needs to get some capacity for the CLA, the A3 will be with it neck and neck; 1575 sold is plenty short of the A3's launch amount of 2159.
-Poor Infiniti...they need to breathe life into the Q50 asap...needs a turbo I4 motor.
-Lexus is sitting pretty, glad to hear the GS is gaining traction and the IS hasn't lost momentum
-MB needs to get some capacity for the CLA, the A3 will be with it neck and neck; 1575 sold is plenty short of the A3's launch amount of 2159.
-Poor Infiniti...they need to breathe life into the Q50 asap...needs a turbo I4 motor.
05-01-14, 07:12 PM
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Good to see GS and IS showing increasing sales trends.
The fact that the GS is up YTD over last year is the best indicator. The cheap leases help but the main reason is ppl actually want to buy it which is great.
I hope this means GS F and IS F will be produced.
When the NX and RC debut - Lexus will have a chance to outsell MB and BMW.
They need to offer more CT variants to fight off A3 and CLA.
The fact that the GS is up YTD over last year is the best indicator. The cheap leases help but the main reason is ppl actually want to buy it which is great.
I hope this means GS F and IS F will be produced.
When the NX and RC debut - Lexus will have a chance to outsell MB and BMW.
They need to offer more CT variants to fight off A3 and CLA.
05-01-14, 07:13 PM
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05-01-14, 07:14 PM
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Problem is you call members out all the time when it comes to the GS or any Lexus product for that matter that u feel is being talked down.
When it comes time to criticizing Acura - ur the first in line.
Every month, same thing.
RLX is a failure and TLX will prob also sell poorly.
At NY Auto show, Acura dislplay was a Ghost town.
When it comes time to criticizing Acura - ur the first in line.
Every month, same thing.
RLX is a failure and TLX will prob also sell poorly.
At NY Auto show, Acura dislplay was a Ghost town.
GS F comes next summer....
