MM Full-Review: 2014 Lexus IS250 AWD
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Cars such as the IS, should be compared to cars like the ATS, C-class, 3 Series and A4.
mmarshall, you must keep in mind that the Verano is FWD, has MacPherson struts at the front, a torsion beam at the rear, lacks a V6, does not offer AWD and is a lot less heavy compared to the IS and the pool of competitors in its class.
Baaed on mechanicals, I would put the Verano on par with my Corolla, a Civic, yes a Cruze, and its direct competitor is the Acura ILX.
The Acura ILX really is the only car that compares with the Verano, it should be noted that the Verano did win in two different Motor Trend comparisons. And almost all major legit publications note the Cruzes roots that the Verano is based on.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 07-18-14 at 12:25 AM.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
IS/Altezza is not the same as your Verano-Opel comparison. The IS is in a league of engineering that is two levels higher than a Verano. The Verano, while somewhat quiet, still has roots in the Chevy Cruze. The Verano-Opel is pretty much an upscale Cruze.
mmarshall, you must keep in mind that the Verano is FWD, has MacPherson struts at the front, a torsion beam at the rear, lacks a V6, does not offer AWD and is a lot less heavy compared to the IS and the pool of competitors in its class.
I don't see a beam-axle as that big a shortcoming in the Verano. It rides and handles like it was a full-independent......and makes service/alignment a lot easier, with fewer parts to wear out.
Based on mechanicals, I would put the Verano on par with my Corolla, a Civic, yes a Cruze, and its direct competitor is the Acura ILX.
The ILX doesn't sell in high enough numbers to be a true competitor. And even though the Cruze is not the Verano's roots, it itself is a very nice car. Except for maybe the ignition switch, GM has little to apologize for with that car.
The Acura ILX really is the only car that compares with the Verano, it should be noted that the Verano did win in two different Motor Trend comparisons. And almost all major legit publications note the Cruzes roots that the Verano is based on.
"The new Verano (itself basically a sedan version of the Astra)"
The next-generation Verano, though, WILL differ a little more from its German Opel roots.............but not necessarily depend on the Cruze.
Please, let's not continue this discussion any more. You and I are never going to agree on the Verano/Cruze/Astra/Delta-Platform origins. I see little reason to keep discussing it.
Last edited by mmarshall; 07-18-14 at 06:55 AM.
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ok, think we've enough verano discussion here. it's pretty unrelated to the IS. thanks.
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mmarshall for the record the IS 200 debuted in Europe with an I-6 the same time it was called a Toyota Altezza in Japan. The IS had its own SPECIFIC platform. The IS never got a 4 cylinder engine FYI. Funny how things change, back then Lexus reasoned a 4 cylinder was not acceptable for a Lexus so we got the 2JZ instead. The Altezza had a high revving 4 with a 6 speed manual. They tried the 6 speed manual with the 2jZ but the torque was too much for it and not proved to be reliable enough, so we got the 5 speed.
The last two generations of the IS have been based off the GS, a more expensive car, not the other way around.
I'm super excited to see the new 2.0 I-4 make its way into the IS in 2016.
The last two generations of the IS have been based off the GS, a more expensive car, not the other way around.
I'm super excited to see the new 2.0 I-4 make its way into the IS in 2016.
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Funny how things change, back then Lexus reasoned a 4 cylinder was not acceptable for a Lexus so we got the 2JZ instead. The Altezza had a high revving 4 with a 6 speed manual. They tried the 6 speed manual with the 2jZ but the torque was too much for it and not proved to be reliable enough, so we got the 5 speed.
The last two generations of the IS have been based off the GS, a more expensive car, not the other way around.
I'm super excited to see the new 2.0 I-4 make its way into the IS in 2016.
The last two generations of the IS have been based off the GS, a more expensive car, not the other way around.
I'm super excited to see the new 2.0 I-4 make its way into the IS in 2016.
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Just noticed that the 3IS has a very massive rear passenger window, which doesn't have that sleek chic appearance the high belt-line 2IS profile had.
The 3IS has less metal, more glass in its side profile! Which gives it a more dopey appearance.
More function over form i guess :P
The 3IS has less metal, more glass in its side profile! Which gives it a more dopey appearance.
More function over form i guess :P
Last edited by yowps3; 10-22-14 at 03:02 AM.
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Just noticed that the 3IS has a very massive rear passenger window, which doesn't have that sleek chic appearance the high belt-line 2IS profile had.
The 3IS has less metal, more glass in its side profile! Which gives it a more dopey appearance.
More function over form i guess :P
The 3IS has less metal, more glass in its side profile! Which gives it a more dopey appearance.
More function over form i guess :P
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Just noticed that the 3IS has a very massive rear passenger window, which doesn't have that sleek chic appearance the high belt-line 2IS profile had.
The 3IS has less metal, more glass in its side profile! Which gives it a more dopey appearance.
More function over form i guess :P
The 3IS has less metal, more glass in its side profile! Which gives it a more dopey appearance.
More function over form i guess :P
Anyways. , I have started to appreciate the 3IS styling.
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