Compact Luxury SUVs - Will the NX come out on top?
03-24-14, 03:00 PM
#46
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In the U.S. with the NX, there will be a lot of engine choices in the segment. GLK has V6 and 4 cyl. diesel, X3 has 4 cyl. and 6 cyl. turbos, Q5 has 4 cyl. turbo, V6 supercharged, V6 diesel, and hybrid, RDX V6 etc. A lot for consumers to choose from.
03-24-14, 05:24 PM
#49
No the Highlander outsells the RX. Think you are splitting hairs. It is fact that the Highlander, RX, Camry, ES and Avalon, Venza, etc. share the same platform. To think that these vehicles do not share parts like switch gear, "mechanicals", ...etc. is just not true.
The NX as you know will share platforms will the RAV-4 and corolla. Using your logic, if the NX outsells the RAV-4, next generation NX platform might be designed as a Lexus first and then scaled for a Corolla and RAV-4. This seems highly unlikely.
Now I wish I would have never mentioned the Camry wagon.
The NX as you know will share platforms will the RAV-4 and corolla. Using your logic, if the NX outsells the RAV-4, next generation NX platform might be designed as a Lexus first and then scaled for a Corolla and RAV-4. This seems highly unlikely.
Now I wish I would have never mentioned the Camry wagon.
So yes, if NX sells 500,000 in 2015, I am sure that Toyota would give it priority.
And no, sharing platforms does not work the way you think... MC platform is shared by 30+ vehicles and a most of them dont share engineering at all. Highlander and old RX shared mechanicals, not just vaguely defined platform term. To my understanding so far, NX and Rav4 will also share mechanicals at the same time, despite Corolla and other 30 cars being on same MC platform, they wont share suspension and anything but powertrains with them. Switches and such are irrelevant.
I am not being hurt over Camry wagon term - i could care less, and I dont care about RX at all. However I am trying to point out how little platform means for Toyota, and this is a big reason for RX success - you never felt like you were in Highlander, let alone Corolla. When people wrongly use platform term, I usually point out how Rav4, Corolla and MR-S shared "platform", despite being completely differently engineered cars.
At the same time, this is actually changing. So it is quite possible that after 2015 and new TNGA comes out, you could actually say something like this and it would be true.
The TNGA strategy includes smart use of common parts, grouped development of the models and global standardization. To facilitate this, Kato said Toyota will establish a medium to long-term product lineup that will group development of various models.
"More than half of the parts of each vehicle should be common," Kato said. "We are aiming at 20 or 30 percent cost reduction in the development process."
Toyota’s Kato expects big cost savings from parts-sharing push.
He gave examples of how this will be achieved.
• Toyota will group driver hip points on different models and platforms into a single optimal driving position per segment, creating simpler, more easily assembled structures and reducing the variety of parts within the cockpit. The number of types of airbags, for example, will be cut from 50 at present to 10 or even fewer.
• Toyota will also adopt global open-standard alternators and globally standardized connector shapes and communications formats to simplify procurement.
"More than half of the parts of each vehicle should be common," Kato said. "We are aiming at 20 or 30 percent cost reduction in the development process."
Toyota’s Kato expects big cost savings from parts-sharing push.
He gave examples of how this will be achieved.
• Toyota will group driver hip points on different models and platforms into a single optimal driving position per segment, creating simpler, more easily assembled structures and reducing the variety of parts within the cockpit. The number of types of airbags, for example, will be cut from 50 at present to 10 or even fewer.
• Toyota will also adopt global open-standard alternators and globally standardized connector shapes and communications formats to simplify procurement.
03-24-14, 05:54 PM
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I agree going forward platform sharing will be less relevant as Toyota/Lexus rolls out its platform strategy similar to VW to cut cost. For the most part all automakers plan to share platforms....
03-24-14, 07:32 PM
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http://www.cars-lexus.com/lexus_rx.html
http://www.automotive.com/lexus/rx330/t3-13-3/
http://www.algysautos.com/toyota-har...xus-rx300.html
Lexus RX: The History of the Model
Lexus RX 300 model made its debut in 1999. Compact off-roader was based on Toyota Camry.
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03-24-14, 09:16 PM
#53
The reference is not off base... Again as I previous stated, this reference has not impacted sales. I see no issue with the shared platform.
http://www.cars-lexus.com/lexus_rx.html
http://www.automotive.com/lexus/rx330/t3-13-3/
http://www.algysautos.com/toyota-har...xus-rx300.html
Lexus RX: The History of the Model
Lexus RX 300 model made its debut in 1999. Compact off-roader was based on Toyota Camry.
http://www.cars-lexus.com/lexus_rx.html
http://www.automotive.com/lexus/rx330/t3-13-3/
http://www.algysautos.com/toyota-har...xus-rx300.html
Lexus RX: The History of the Model
Lexus RX 300 model made its debut in 1999. Compact off-roader was based on Toyota Camry.
I also have never understood that the RX was an off road vehicle according to your first link. The author of the article isn't even quoted so who knows how accurate the whole web site is. I owned a RX 300 and it was not designed to be driven off road. It was a true crossover lightly based on the Camry platform.
03-25-14, 07:43 AM
#55
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I think we may have a semantics problem. No where do I see any reference to the RX being essentially a Camry Wagon as you state. I agree and it has been shown the RX is based on the Camry platform as are 30+ other models. I don't agree you can use both references. The Camry wagon tag to me is a smug put down on the Luxury RX and is not deserved. The wagon isn't even built anymore.
I also have never understood that the RX was an off road vehicle according to your first link. The author of the article isn't even quoted so who knows how accurate the whole web site is. I owned a RX 300 and it was not designed to be driven off road. It was a true crossover lightly based on the Camry platform.
I also have never understood that the RX was an off road vehicle according to your first link. The author of the article isn't even quoted so who knows how accurate the whole web site is. I owned a RX 300 and it was not designed to be driven off road. It was a true crossover lightly based on the Camry platform.
03-25-14, 08:13 AM
#56
What is lightly based? Either it is or not. It's nothing wrong with the RX being based off a Camry. The Camry is a dam good vehicle and for owners of RX's to act like it isn't is silly. From the article above it sounds like it's going to be alot more sharing. I honestly think the RX sales are so high b/c it's based off the qualities of the Camry.
I think this subject is exhausted and hope we can back on point discussing the NX.
03-25-14, 09:20 AM
#57
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Excuse me, by lightly I meant it was based on the Camry platform but modified for the RX. If you read my last post I did say and agree the RX was based on the Camry platform so your rant was a waste of time.
I think this subject is exhausted and hope we can back on point discussing the NX.
I think this subject is exhausted and hope we can back on point discussing the NX.
NX may not outsell the RX but I do feel it will do very well. Lexus just got price the vehicle right. Maybe move the RX price up. People are not going to stop buying the RX if Lexus increase the price 5K.
03-25-14, 09:34 AM
#58
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I'm sure the NX will take some sales from the RX, but the brand would rather they capture these compact luxury CUV sales vs. consumers going for GLK, Q5, X3, RDX etc. Smart move IMO. Wonder why Lexus didn't do it sooner?
03-25-14, 03:10 PM
#59
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Best Compact Luxury SUV = Porsche Macan, it looks Awesome and will be amazing to drive.
If you are referring to best selling? Im sure the NX and RX will be at the top.
NX is based on RAV4 so cant expect too much in terms of driving dynamics.
If you are referring to best selling? Im sure the NX and RX will be at the top.
NX is based on RAV4 so cant expect too much in terms of driving dynamics.
03-25-14, 03:11 PM
#60
It happened naturally through the progression and expansion of the line-up. When the RX launched initially it's size is near what the NX is replacing. As the 2RX and now 3RX it straddles which up until now did not warrant for anything smaller. The 4RX will get bigger though and the competition is now cashing in on CUVs smaller than the RX so now is the time.
