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Old 03-14-14, 05:51 PM
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Volkswagen Pockets $23,000 When You Buy That New Porsche



One could forgive Volkswagen (VOW:GR) executives for only wanting to drive their fleet of Audis, Bentleys, Porsches, and Lamborghinis. The German giant’s luxury offerings are outperforming its pedestrian passenger cars, both on roads and off.

For every Porsche it sold last year, Volkswagen booked about $23,200 in operating profit, for a margin of 18 percent, according to an annual report it released this morning. Bentley wasn’t far behind Porsche, and the Audi brand, which includes the Lamborghini badge, posted $5,200 in profit per vehicle at a 10 percent margin. That compares with an $850 return, at a 2.9 percent margin, for one of VW’s mass-market machines, such as the Jetta or Passat.

“Porsche is growing in every respect, from profitability to innovative power, right up to its motor portfolio,” Martin Winterkorn, Volkswagen’s chief executive, said on a conference call this morning.

Why might a Porsche be so much more profitable than something more pedestrian? For one thing, its customers are far less price sensitive. Drivers wealthy enough to consider such a plush ride were likely making a mint on U.S. stocks last year, regardless of where they lived. The average Beetle customer, meanwhile, may have been capturing less economic upside.

What’s more, there is less clear competition to a Porsche or a Bentley—fewer models to “cross-shop,” as car folks say—while anyone kicking the tires on a Passat can probably find a dozen similar sedans less than a mile away. Audi isn’t quite so rarefied, but the brand is making headway by simply beating its peers at BMW (BMW:GR) and Mercedes (DAI:GR).

Indeed, Volkswagen’s high-end models carried the company last year, as demand waned for its more affordable cars and it poured research dollars into retooling its big sellers. The company R&D expenses climbed 23 percent last year, sucking up almost 6 percent of revenue. A euro that steadily gained on the dollar and a shaky Continental economy didn’t help results either. The company’s total sales for 2013 ticked up only 2.2 percent, to €197 billion ($275 billion at this morning’s exchange rate), while income slid 58 percent, to €9.1 billion.

Volkswagen, however, is hoping all those research expenses will pay off this year. As it pieces together 100 new and refreshed models, the company said it may sell more than 10 million vehicles this year, vs. 9.73 million in 2013. “It is fair to say that the Volkswagen Group has proven to be in great shape despite the difficult conditions,” Winterkorn told analysts this morning.

The company is determined to top Toyota (TM) as the world’s No. 1 car seller, a feat that will require millions of Golfs and Jettas. Blue-blood offerings such as Porsche and Bentley don’t move enough metal to make much of a dent on that goal, but their financial performance at the moment is far more impressive than any volume bragging rights.
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Old 03-14-14, 07:41 PM
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Well, now we now how overpriced they are.

Then you have some models, particularly subcompacts, that make virtually no profit when sold in the US.
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Old 03-15-14, 05:50 AM
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Wow....so Basically, you are paying for the Porsche + 86 (toyota) Together ? Nice!!
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No surprise here, low volume product requires high per unit profit or they go out of business. Econ 101
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Old 03-15-14, 09:48 AM
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I love VW PR's...

"100 new and refreshed" models.

In reality, profits dropped heavily due to increased reliance on sales of affordable vehicles, such as VW Up!, Chinese sales and downmarket Audi models such as A1 and Q3.

Their profits are 50% lower than Toyota's for about same volume and despite brands like Audi and Porsche.
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Well, they're pocketing all that money since their design dept. has an easy job
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Old 03-15-14, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GS3Tek
Well, they're pocketing all that money since their design dept. has an easy job
LOL!

A tweak here...a tweak there.....
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Old 03-15-14, 06:58 PM
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Good for them, wouldn't any of you if you could do the same? Nobody is forcing their customers to buy their cars.
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Simple supply and demand....Porsche owners pay to play. Not only that, but the people who buy new Porsches (as opposed to used) often have money to burn....more disposable income than common sense. In my area (NoVA / D.C. suburbs) I notice that the most expensive new Porsche models (including the 911 Turbo) are often sold to doctors or lawyers.....professions with historically high incomes. They couldn't care less if VW makes a five-figure margin on the sale.

And, if you think you get screwed when you buy a new Porsche, just wait till it's time to take it to the service shop.....assuming the issue is not warranty-covered

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Old 03-15-14, 07:07 PM
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Surprised at how low Lamborghini's profit margin is. Seems too low.
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Originally Posted by jwong77
Good for them, wouldn't any of you if you could do the same? Nobody is forcing their customers to buy their cars.
Yup, nothing wrong with it. All luxury products are essentially "overpriced". Everyone knows it but that's just part of the prestige and adds to the exclusivity of the product. A business can charge whatever a customer is willing to pay. The market determines the value of something.

Does anyone think 1 Bugatti Veyron Supersport ($1.2M) costs the same amount to produce than about 70 Toyota Corolla's? Not even close. But every Veyron gets sold. If it was $3M a pop. Every one would be sold.

I believe if the LFA cost $1M, they would have still sold out.
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Yep, I remember reading a while back that they had by far the highest profit margins in the industry. Looking at data like that alone, it's pretty clear that Porsches are overpriced, let alone how they compare to lower priced competitors.

But people are increasingly willing to pay for that Porsche badge, so whaddayagonnado...


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Surprised at how low Lamborghini's profit margin is. Seems too low.
Lambo's are low enough volume that they don't (and probably can't) have as streamlined of a manufacturing process as a company like Porsche. Porsche is riding a very profitable line between being high-ish volume and still having a near-exotic branding. So they can charge people exorbitant amounts of money for a car that relatively cheaply came off an assembly line with thousands of others just like it.
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Look at porsche's option prices, 350 for a colored seatbelt? Really?
And people still couldn't resist to check the boxes.
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They have to sell 10 VWs to make the same money 1 Porsche does.
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Please remember that a few years ago Porsche was on the way to buy out VW.

The relatively high volume sales success of the Cayenne drove this plan.

The plan was undone by economic slowdown coupled to 10 billion in debt on their books.

VW was then able to reverse the deal and take over Porsche.
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