hlee12

and why do you trust camry more than other models? it's not like other models will break down after 5 years. unless i'm buying 10 year old cars with 150k+ miles, i wouldn't have problem buying any new cars on the market.

Vh_Supra26

iTrader: (1)

Every Camry that we have own has never let us down. My sister had a 93 with 375k on it. She sold it too this poor family and they told us its still going and has 450k on it now. My mom brought a new one in 2005 and no issues to this day. Is it a fun car, no. Will it get you to point A to B with no issues, for us, yes

LexFather

Sure they are



3 year study..look at Toyota, look at the rest… Lexus is in another LEAUGE and shouldn't be compared to anyone..

hlee12

so basically new one really is more of an evolution of previous design without any quality improvements.

most sedans had a drastic improvements

sonata - huge improvement from previous gen. drastic design change
mazda6 - gigantic leap from previous gen
accord - back with vengeance. best looking accord in years
fusion - huge improvement with drastic departure
optima - from crap to good looking alternative


i mean i can go on and on. most of them took a huge leap. IMO camry didn't really improve much.

LexFather

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

that looks like an abomination, especially that the front axle and suspension looks like they're broken.

you're saying only Camry or Lexus owners can critique a Camry? uh, right.

in a group of cars that are generally boring 'appliances' to drive, style is a key differentiator among those actually interested in cars as opposed to most mid-market sedan buyers who just want reliable transportation.

i think it drives better and looks better.



it means toyota aimed too low. toyota has approached much of their models just like GM did in the past... with a mindset of "what can we get away with?" rather than "how can we make something special that will not only appeal to the faithful, but also put us way ahead of any likely competition?" regardless of sales quantities, the camry SCREAMS CHEAP. the kia optima and honda accord do not. the u.s. honda accord is special, and let's see who agrees...

an 'honest car'? bwahaha... sounds like a line used car salesman would use. "yeah dats a real honest car right there..."

always the fall back to sales. we all know the camry sells. just like the big mac is the biggest selling burger, but is it great? or special?

it hasn't been long and a lot of conservative (in buying habits) owners will be staunchly loyal to a brand, so even if one or more brands offer 'better' vehicles in most objective categories, the camry is still likely to outsell them for a while. it's just like how GM continued to sell enormous volumes of utter crap for decades - due to loyalty, and also back then many didn't want to buy a 'foreign' car, which was also stupid.

speedflex

Where the heck is this thread going? I can't believe all the apologists going on about sales and such when the point is that Akio san has said he wants a more expressive Camry. That's supposed to be good isn't it? Instead, we're on about how vanilla is good for the segment. Isn't that viewpoint EXACTLY why the Camry is boring? Thank goodness Akio Toyoda doesn't share such a position.

hlee12

yeah, i'm noticing the trend. most homers will defend their brands till death even if toyoda himself said current camry isn't living up.

i favor brands that always try to get better. i'm sure mr. toyoda wants to get better. i give mad props for lexus for getting better.

people buy vanilla because brands feed them vanilla. if toyota feeds them vanilla with little bit of tabasco sauce they will buy it and like it.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

100% correct.

doesn't mean the camry is "bad", just nothing special, except a reliable bland driving appliance.

hlee12

vanilla done right


i don't care for passat's boring interior, but exterior looks great. will take passat over camry anytime anyday.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

thank you. too many supporters of a far too safe accountant-defined camry design.

looking forward to toyota doing something special which we know they can!

LexFather

Hey lets compare a Camry at the worst angle possible with a loaded Jetta GTi at the best angle possible. Do a fair comparison for the sake of FAIRNESS and not add to the big BEAT UP THE CAMRY weekly thread.

Speedflex there is no one saying the Camry is best or even that stylish. We are saying it is fine for what it is and not the "abomination" some of you make it out to be. That is ridiculous. What happened is a bunch of people who ironically drive or own Camry equivalents of the sort or throwing stones (with a glass house).

How is is this ANY BETTER and not WORSE than a Camry?

Then this other guy says the Passat exterior is great? Are we for real here?







Then you same people give the Acura RDX a pass claiming the same sales feats are good but bad for the Camry. At least the Camry is not badged a luxury car. Lets go in

-no led ligths for the brakes…ridiculous
-no rear air vents for passengers
-stock halogen and no fog lights…
-cheap leather, hard plastic
-no I-4, no hybrid, loses SH-AWD, the main thing
-bland as a Camry
-does nothing remarkable
-no blind spot option, no parking assist, basics on cars today
-no cooled seats, a 4 way power passenger seat from the 1980s

And yet, we give this vehicle a pass and praise it for selling well and being an improvement then beat the living daylights out the Camry.

Makes absolutely no sense to me.

hlee12

no doubt toyota can deliver a good looking sedan


they could've easily settled for another variation of this.



get better or die tryin.

LexFather

Damnit I should have done this….



Guess who reads the Toyota/Lexus bashing constantly?….

hlee12

there is an advantage of driving an appliance - zero emotional attachment.