2015 Hyundai Sonata
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This is one ugly looking car. It seems like they really ran out of ideas while trying to slot this car between the Azera & Genesis
The Azera doesn't cost all that much more than the Sonata and you get much better value for money.
The Azera doesn't cost all that much more than the Sonata and you get much better value for money.
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Probably no real mystery. Many reviews in the auto-press do pedal-to-the-metal 0-60, quarter-mile, and other acceleration tests, where turbos, just like N/A engines, typically get their worst mileage. Turbos produce more power for a reason.....on-demand extra compression/injection of both air and fuel, compared to N/A power plants.. We also know that auto manufacturers (such as recently at Ford) sometimes publish MPG figures that are even more variable and/or inaccurate than usual.
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Hyundai has chosen to retune all of their engines for better and much more usable MIDRANGE power rather than peak power. It has a multitude of benefits. The main benefit is a much stronger feeling engine that doesn't require as many revs to get the car going. The side effect of that is reduced fuel consumption due to less need to rev the **** out of the engine to actually go somewhere. The new Sonata has better FE this time around (25/37 city/hwy for the base and 28/38 for the Eco) and likely improved performance across the board.
With the turbo the same thing has happened. The engine has been tuned for low and midrange power now rather than peak. I experienced it when I drove the older turbos. First and second gear the engine felt neutered but that was also due to reduced torque in first and second gear which hurt 0-60 times severely. Hopefully this time around there will be no electronically limited torque reductions.
Also I believe Hyundai is going the route of under promising and over delivering with these engines.
With the turbo the same thing has happened. The engine has been tuned for low and midrange power now rather than peak. I experienced it when I drove the older turbos. First and second gear the engine felt neutered but that was also due to reduced torque in first and second gear which hurt 0-60 times severely. Hopefully this time around there will be no electronically limited torque reductions.
Also I believe Hyundai is going the route of under promising and over delivering with these engines.
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The current 2.0t according to Hyundai produces peak torque at 1750rpm
But really "peak" is all relative. I also drive a '05 1.8L Pulsar and keep it below 2000rpm for 90% of the time. It goes really well even with full cargo.
But really "peak" is all relative. I also drive a '05 1.8L Pulsar and keep it below 2000rpm for 90% of the time. It goes really well even with full cargo.
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But it probably maintains that peak torque up to 4k-5k rpm, hence the broad mid range.
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Yes it's relative and relative to Hyundai's previous engines the new ones produce peak power lower with even greater midrange.
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the new sonata seems to be a pretty reasonable evolution, with improved refinement, economy, features, and a bit more conservative design. given how incredibly quiet their new higher end vehicles are (cadenza, k900, equus, genesis), i expect this new sonata to be a pretty refined ride, but then of course the camry, the altima, the fusion, not so much the accord, but others too, have also become much more refined (smooth and quiet) so it will be tough competition.
i seriously doubt this sonata will do much for hyundai beyond maybe maintaining market share.
i seriously doubt this sonata will do much for hyundai beyond maybe maintaining market share.
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the new sonata seems to be a pretty reasonable evolution, with improved refinement, economy, features, and a bit more conservative design. given how incredibly quiet their new higher end vehicles are (cadenza, k900, equus, genesis), i expect this new sonata to be a pretty refined ride, but then of course the camry, the altima, the fusion, not so much the accord, but others too, have also become much more refined (smooth and quiet) so it will be tough competition.
i seriously doubt this sonata will do much for hyundai beyond maybe maintaining market share.
i seriously doubt this sonata will do much for hyundai beyond maybe maintaining market share.
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Barely Out 2015 Hyundai Sonata Recalled for Wiring Harness Fault
Not two months since its official unveiling, Hyundai has announced it has to recall some 2,138 copies of its 2015 Sonata whose power steering may not work as intended due to a faulty connection in the car’s wiring harness. The issue can extend to affect the shifter as well, as it may be stuck in the Park position.
On cars that present the fault, the steering wheel will require much more effort than usual to turn – they don’t say whether it gets any worse or if it runs the risk of seizing up completely, but as you can imagine, it’s not desirable behavior.
The affected cars were manufactured between May 2 and May 23 of this year. Hyundai has already gone ahead and started to contact the owners of the affected cars whose problems will be put right free of charge.
On cars that present the fault, the steering wheel will require much more effort than usual to turn – they don’t say whether it gets any worse or if it runs the risk of seizing up completely, but as you can imagine, it’s not desirable behavior.
The affected cars were manufactured between May 2 and May 23 of this year. Hyundai has already gone ahead and started to contact the owners of the affected cars whose problems will be put right free of charge.
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US Buyers Aren't Buying 2015 Hyundai Sonata More Conservative Looks
While it may be too early to assess the commercial success of the 2015 Hyundai Sonata, sales figures don’t look promising, as the sedan is off to a slow start in the U.S.
The all-new sedan may have received encouraging reviews from US media, with Consumer Reports describing it as very competitive, but its design is seen by many as too bland to convince buyers. A failure for the Sonata in the United States would be a big blow, as the country is the model’s second-biggest market after China.
Launched in June in the U.S., the 2015 Sonata has struggled to keep up with competitors such as the Nissan Altima and Honda Accord both in terms of pricing and appeal. Hyundai sold 41,994 new Sonatas in the first four months following its U.S. launch, which is 13 percent fewer than its predecessor.
“The new Sonata product super-exceeds the previous model in every way, shape, or form. But consumers are very much driven by what the vehicle looks like,” Scott Fink, chief executive of Hyundai’s biggest U.S. dealer in New Port Richey, Florida, told Reuters.
It appears that Hyundai’s decision to make the new Sonata less bold and more angular than its curvy predecessors in order to appeal to more conservative buyers in South Korea is backfiring in the U.S. But things aren’t going well in South Korea either. Hyundai sold 6,861 Sonatas in September, nearly half from 11,904 in April when the model was launched.
For 2014, Hyundai reportedly has a U.S. sales target of 92,500. In order to meet that goal, the automaker needs to sell nearly 17,000 new Sonatas a month for the rest of the year. So far, the Sonata’s average monthly sales are 10,500.
The all-new sedan may have received encouraging reviews from US media, with Consumer Reports describing it as very competitive, but its design is seen by many as too bland to convince buyers. A failure for the Sonata in the United States would be a big blow, as the country is the model’s second-biggest market after China.
Launched in June in the U.S., the 2015 Sonata has struggled to keep up with competitors such as the Nissan Altima and Honda Accord both in terms of pricing and appeal. Hyundai sold 41,994 new Sonatas in the first four months following its U.S. launch, which is 13 percent fewer than its predecessor.
“The new Sonata product super-exceeds the previous model in every way, shape, or form. But consumers are very much driven by what the vehicle looks like,” Scott Fink, chief executive of Hyundai’s biggest U.S. dealer in New Port Richey, Florida, told Reuters.
It appears that Hyundai’s decision to make the new Sonata less bold and more angular than its curvy predecessors in order to appeal to more conservative buyers in South Korea is backfiring in the U.S. But things aren’t going well in South Korea either. Hyundai sold 6,861 Sonatas in September, nearly half from 11,904 in April when the model was launched.
For 2014, Hyundai reportedly has a U.S. sales target of 92,500. In order to meet that goal, the automaker needs to sell nearly 17,000 new Sonatas a month for the rest of the year. So far, the Sonata’s average monthly sales are 10,500.
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The all-new sedan may have received encouraging reviews from US media, with Consumer Reports describing it as very competitive, but its design is seen by many as too bland to convince buyers. A failure for the Sonata in the United States would be a big blow, as the country is the model’s second-biggest market after China.
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If the low sales start is true, I'd say I'm not surprised. Hyundai completely did a 180 with the new Sonata's styling. Once a standout and alternative to the boring family sedan, to now a boring family sedan. People in this segment now expect more thanks to the newer Accord, refreshed Camry, Kia Optima, Ford Fusion, and the last gen Sonata. It's a bit sad Hyundai could be losing the game it invented.
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If the low sales start is true, I'd say I'm not surprised. Hyundai completely did a 180 with the new Sonata's styling. Once a standout and alternative to the boring family sedan, to now a boring family sedan. People in this segment now expect more thanks to the newer Accord, refreshed Camry, Kia Optima, Ford Fusion, and the last gen Sonata. It's a bit sad Hyundai could be losing the game it invented.
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I've seen a lot of new Sonatas on the road...