Hold that drink.....DWI BAC levels may (?) be going down
#16
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yea because the state follows the procedures 100% of the time, never make a mistake. Tell that to the charges dropped against some of his clients because the cops knowingly used expired and non calibrated breathalyzer yet continued to use them. Facts huh? Again key word "most"
If it comes down to a choice between a 99% perfect state-run system and no system at all, I sure know which one I'd take.
#17
Something else to consider:
Many folks who've had a few drinks are overly cautious behind the wheel in an attempt to be careful and not be caught. (Of course, driving 10 MPH under the speed limit also attracts attention of the police.) Add the ubiquitous cell phone to the equation and I imagine impaired and distracted driving is a very deadly recipe.
Many folks who've had a few drinks are overly cautious behind the wheel in an attempt to be careful and not be caught. (Of course, driving 10 MPH under the speed limit also attracts attention of the police.) Add the ubiquitous cell phone to the equation and I imagine impaired and distracted driving is a very deadly recipe.
#19
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So then, what's your solution? Toss the whole system out and let everyone do whatever they want behind the wheel, any time? Unfortunately, we have that too much already as it is....and too many don't face up to their responsibilities.
If it comes down to a choice between a 99% perfect state-run system and no system at all, I sure know which one I'd take.
If it comes down to a choice between a 99% perfect state-run system and no system at all, I sure know which one I'd take.
Innocent until proven guilty should extend to the spirit of the law, as well. Convictions based on flawed science are worse than criminals going free.
#21
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Correct. That was already made clear in both the original article and my comments on it. But the last time NTSB recommended major action (the DWI reduction from .10 to .08) almost every state eventually adopted it. Perhaps that standard didn't go far enough .....which is why NTSB is recommending further action.
#22
yes lets jail, fine, and disrupt more american lives over this. At the end of the day driving is a dangerous activity sober or "under the influence". The long term solution will come when I can slap a google drive system on my car and tell it to drive me home from the bar... problem solved.
In the mean time this new limit is just ridiculous.
In the mean time this new limit is just ridiculous.
#23
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yes lets jail, fine, and disrupt more american lives over this. At the end of the day driving is a dangerous activity sober or "under the influence". The long term solution will come when I can slap a google drive system on my car and tell it to drive me home from the bar... problem solved.
#24
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This is fine by me. One life lost by something as stupid as drinking is one too many. Disrupt American lives? If you drink and drive, you deserve to have your life disrupted as much as possible. Again, it doesn't really matter until someone you know is killed or injured by one of these idiots.
#25
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This is fine by me. One life lost by something as stupid as drinking is one too many. Disrupt American lives? If you drink and drive, you deserve to have your life disrupted as much as possible. Again, it doesn't really matter until someone you know is killed or injured by one of these idiots.
#26
Great point that is true that it is a privilege not a right. Even still if it is such a privilege maybe we should do a better job of keeping people who cant drive when sober off the road.
As for TOked I am sure that is easy to say. What you fail to realize is that is up to the discretion of a police offer to arrest you or not. Not all DUI's are created equally. If you dont believe that profiling and targeting factor into who has a DUI and who does not then you are wrong. I am sorry if you have been negatively affected by this issue but so have people who receive a DUI and live otherwise upstanding lives.Again not all DUI's are equal.
Does a fair way exist to keep our roads safe? I would have to say no because I have witnessed accidents where nothing other than stupidity causes the loss of life. Driving is dangerous, the best you can do is make yourself the best driver you can.
As for TOked I am sure that is easy to say. What you fail to realize is that is up to the discretion of a police offer to arrest you or not. Not all DUI's are created equally. If you dont believe that profiling and targeting factor into who has a DUI and who does not then you are wrong. I am sorry if you have been negatively affected by this issue but so have people who receive a DUI and live otherwise upstanding lives.Again not all DUI's are equal.
Does a fair way exist to keep our roads safe? I would have to say no because I have witnessed accidents where nothing other than stupidity causes the loss of life. Driving is dangerous, the best you can do is make yourself the best driver you can.
#27
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Great point that is true that it is a privilege not a right. Even still if it is such a privilege maybe we should do a better job of keeping people who cant drive when sober off the road.
As for TOked I am sure that is easy to say. What you fail to realize is that is up to the discretion of a police offer to arrest you or not. Not all DUI's are created equally. If you dont believe that profiling and targeting factor into who has a DUI and who does not then you are wrong. I am sorry if you have been negatively affected by this issue but so have people who receive a DUI and live otherwise upstanding lives.Again not all DUI's are equal.
Does a fair way exist to keep our roads safe? I would have to say no because I have witnessed accidents where nothing other than stupidity causes the loss of life. Driving is dangerous, the best you can do is make yourself the best driver you can.
As for TOked I am sure that is easy to say. What you fail to realize is that is up to the discretion of a police offer to arrest you or not. Not all DUI's are created equally. If you dont believe that profiling and targeting factor into who has a DUI and who does not then you are wrong. I am sorry if you have been negatively affected by this issue but so have people who receive a DUI and live otherwise upstanding lives.Again not all DUI's are equal.
Does a fair way exist to keep our roads safe? I would have to say no because I have witnessed accidents where nothing other than stupidity causes the loss of life. Driving is dangerous, the best you can do is make yourself the best driver you can.
There is no fair way to keep roads safe. We can't account for every single distraction and variable. The sleepy driver, the poorly maintained vehicle, the medical emergency, etc, all that can happen while on the road. However, we can do little things to try and take out the variables that we can enforce, such as driving under the influence, cell phone/texting, etc.
If you know you are drinking or if you accidentally drank too much, why risk it and get behind the wheel? Or to moderate your drinking? If I know I'm driving, I limit myself to one drink and stop 2-3 hours before I know I need to drive. It doesn't take much to make a conscious decision. Of course it's difficult to do when you're out with friends and such, but it's a decision you make. And like all decision we make, we have to take responsibility for it.
#28
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just because youre .08 doesnt mean you are impaired. Time to create more criminals. One of my friends is a lawyer that has done some drunk driving cases and he said the .08 is some arbiturary number and each person reacts differently. He's not even a drinker and he says the way they go about it is BS and the BAC% isnt an accurate way to judge impairment.
By the second and after all following drinks, the test volunteers' scores fell steadily. I think it was Pat Bedard who never achieved the .08 level, being so significantly impaired he either passed out or threw up before he was "legally" drunk. Several other volunteer subjects were so compromised by the time they reached that level they were just sloppy drunk. For most people, .08 seemed a little too high a level to expect it prevent accidents.
It seems that everyone has their own tolerance for alcohol - a simple BAC is not going to predict who's going to be dangerous on the road.
#30
IDK, it seems like I see more idiot (ie. poor) drivers on the road who drive to slow, cut people off, don't look at mirrors, TEXT (WTF???), go through stop signs, ignore lights, etc. than drunk drivers.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/31545004
Either way, I just want to have a couple drinks when I have dinner and as long as that is still ok, then I'm cool with it. Maybe start instituting BAC systems in bars with disposable mouth pieces? lol idk
http://www.cnbc.com/id/31545004
Either way, I just want to have a couple drinks when I have dinner and as long as that is still ok, then I'm cool with it. Maybe start instituting BAC systems in bars with disposable mouth pieces? lol idk
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