Lexus wins another major handling comparison (this time with the 3IS IS350 f sport)
04-29-13, 02:49 AM
#47
Lexus would have to be out of their flipping mind if they dropped the IS-F after this gen, let alone didn't offer any future F vehicles.
I couldn't ever take them seriously. Ever.
I'll give them about a year and 1/2 before I give up.
Very close to leasing a 550i to accompany my 2IS in the garage
I couldn't ever take them seriously. Ever.
I'll give them about a year and 1/2 before I give up.
Very close to leasing a 550i to accompany my 2IS in the garage
04-29-13, 05:15 AM
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04-29-13, 06:22 AM
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04-29-13, 07:38 AM
#52
Lol!
Congrats to the IS350! 
Not surprised at the conclusion, C&D seems to like both the ATS and 3-series in 328i and ATS 2.0T configurations much better.
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=833436
Not surprised at the conclusion, C&D seems to like both the ATS and 3-series in 328i and ATS 2.0T configurations much better.http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=833436
The 328 guys are saying the 335 keeps loosing all comparos and how the 328 keeps winning and is the better car of the two
They are making fun of the 335 loosing to the Lexus.
04-29-13, 08:05 AM
#53
I am a little disappointed in the 5.6s 0-60 number, but there are a few possible explanations:
- This is still a preproduction car, so it might not be running at 100%
- At the introduction of the 4GS, Lexus was asked why they did not put the 8AT into the GS 350 at launch. I recall a comment by Lexus folks noting that the 6AT was better suited to the engine for now, considering the horsepower and torque specifications. There was also some commentary here that the engine didn't have enough torque to efficiently use or need 8 forward gears. Maybe that is what we are seeing here?
- The GS is ~100lbs heavier than the IS and snaps off 0-60 in a pretty routine 5.4 -5.6 seconds, so I would assume that a lighter IS should do it in 5.3-5.5
With that said, I hope the rumors of a TT I4 and TT 3.0L V6 are true. ~350hp in this chassis would be amazing. The BMW's fuel efficiency numbers are also significantly better than the IS, so I look forward to a more efficient, more powerful engine in the near future. On the same note, the IS is heavier and less powerful than the ATS 3.6, but still managed the same C/D observed 18 mpg combined.
- This is still a preproduction car, so it might not be running at 100%
- At the introduction of the 4GS, Lexus was asked why they did not put the 8AT into the GS 350 at launch. I recall a comment by Lexus folks noting that the 6AT was better suited to the engine for now, considering the horsepower and torque specifications. There was also some commentary here that the engine didn't have enough torque to efficiently use or need 8 forward gears. Maybe that is what we are seeing here?
- The GS is ~100lbs heavier than the IS and snaps off 0-60 in a pretty routine 5.4 -5.6 seconds, so I would assume that a lighter IS should do it in 5.3-5.5
With that said, I hope the rumors of a TT I4 and TT 3.0L V6 are true. ~350hp in this chassis would be amazing. The BMW's fuel efficiency numbers are also significantly better than the IS, so I look forward to a more efficient, more powerful engine in the near future. On the same note, the IS is heavier and less powerful than the ATS 3.6, but still managed the same C/D observed 18 mpg combined.
04-29-13, 08:19 AM
#54
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I suspect that after putting the IS-F 8 speed into the 3IS, Lexus detuned the 2GR-FSE slightly in order to improve CO2 emissions and fuel efficiency, calculating that the more efficient gearing of the 8 speed would maintain similar 0-60 and 1/4 mile compared to the 2IS.
04-29-13, 08:44 AM
#56
if you look at the gear ratios the 335 2nd and 3rd gear is really low compared to the rest. Going to help with acceleration.
The S001 Bridgestones on the 335 are pretty good (Max Performance Summer) while the Turanza ER33 on the IS (Grand Touring Summer) have a bad rating on tirerack. F Sport wouldve performed better with new tires no doubt. It still beat the 335 in a slalom even with these junk tires. If the F Sport had S001s all performance tests would have improved. So if anyone buys an F Sport get rid of the junk OEM tires.
The S001 Bridgestones on the 335 are pretty good (Max Performance Summer) while the Turanza ER33 on the IS (Grand Touring Summer) have a bad rating on tirerack. F Sport wouldve performed better with new tires no doubt. It still beat the 335 in a slalom even with these junk tires. If the F Sport had S001s all performance tests would have improved. So if anyone buys an F Sport get rid of the junk OEM tires.
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04-29-13, 08:47 AM
#57
With that said, I hope the rumors of a TT I4 and TT 3.0L V6 are true. ~350hp in this chassis would be amazing. The BMW's fuel efficiency numbers are also significantly better than the IS, so I look forward to a more efficient, more powerful engine in the near future. On the same note, the IS is heavier and less powerful than the ATS 3.6, but still managed the same C/D observed 18 mpg combined.
04-29-13, 08:54 AM
#58
another thing about turbos though is how badly the mpg can vary from sticker. Look how much it varied compared to the ATS/IS mpg. 23/33 but it only hit 20mpg in the test? The other two are 19/28 and still got 18mpg. Despite a 4-5mpg advantage in both city and highway on sticker it only does 2 more mpg better in real world. I've always found turbo mpg to be highly optimistic and is even more susceptible to driving style than NA
04-29-13, 09:12 AM
#59
Lexus Test Driver
I am a little disappointed in the 5.6s 0-60 number, but there are a few possible explanations:
- This is still a preproduction car, so it might not be running at 100%
- At the introduction of the 4GS, Lexus was asked why they did not put the 8AT into the GS 350 at launch. I recall a comment by Lexus folks noting that the 6AT was better suited to the engine for now, considering the horsepower and torque specifications. There was also some commentary here that the engine didn't have enough torque to efficiently use or need 8 forward gears. Maybe that is what we are seeing here?
- The GS is ~100lbs heavier than the IS and snaps off 0-60 in a pretty routine 5.4 -5.6 seconds, so I would assume that a lighter IS should do it in 5.3-5.5
With that said, I hope the rumors of a TT I4 and TT 3.0L V6 are true. ~350hp in this chassis would be amazing. The BMW's fuel efficiency numbers are also significantly better than the IS, so I look forward to a more efficient, more powerful engine in the near future. On the same note, the IS is heavier and less powerful than the ATS 3.6, but still managed the same C/D observed 18 mpg combined.
- This is still a preproduction car, so it might not be running at 100%
- At the introduction of the 4GS, Lexus was asked why they did not put the 8AT into the GS 350 at launch. I recall a comment by Lexus folks noting that the 6AT was better suited to the engine for now, considering the horsepower and torque specifications. There was also some commentary here that the engine didn't have enough torque to efficiently use or need 8 forward gears. Maybe that is what we are seeing here?
- The GS is ~100lbs heavier than the IS and snaps off 0-60 in a pretty routine 5.4 -5.6 seconds, so I would assume that a lighter IS should do it in 5.3-5.5
With that said, I hope the rumors of a TT I4 and TT 3.0L V6 are true. ~350hp in this chassis would be amazing. The BMW's fuel efficiency numbers are also significantly better than the IS, so I look forward to a more efficient, more powerful engine in the near future. On the same note, the IS is heavier and less powerful than the ATS 3.6, but still managed the same C/D observed 18 mpg combined.
I'm really hoping for better numbers published elsewhere...color me disappointed
04-29-13, 09:31 AM
#60
It is important to recognize that the 335 is now easily over 50k when you load it with essential options. At that price point it needs to appeal to a broader buyer base, and it only made sense for it to lose some of its harshness and gain some refinement. My wife had a 2010 335 coupe for almost three years, and while it was a ferocious car, with insane throttle and steering responses - it had a punishing ride, its steering was way too quick for comfortable laid back high speed cruising. My wife never took this car for long trips - she drove my GS or our 745 when we still had it on those occasions. When her car was destroyed by Sandy, as much as she liked it, she didn't want to consider getting another 335 because of those drawbacks.
BMW still has the 1 series, and they can keep that as their hardcore model. The 3 series is now a more grown up car, and rightfully so.
BMW still has the 1 series, and they can keep that as their hardcore model. The 3 series is now a more grown up car, and rightfully so.