BMW - No Longer The Ultimate Driving Machine
03-23-13, 08:25 AM
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BMW - No Longer The Ultimate Driving Machine
Lexus GS350 F-Sport vs BMW 535i M-Sport
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This head-to-head comparison was conducted by AMCI Testing.
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Thanks to bigblack06 over on the 4th Generation GS sub-forum for finding these.
I guess that is what Lexus meant when they said they were going to have more in-your-face advertising for its brand.
What's most impressive is that the testing is done by an independent third party and is verifiable.
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For 30 years AMCI Testing has been an unbiased, independent vehicle testing company, directly serving automotive manufacturers worldwide. Whenever a balanced and unprejudiced understanding of their own vehicles' comparative performance is needed for product development, market intelligence or claim substantiation, most come to us. The oft proven, undisputed and unrivaled accuracy of AMCI Testing Certified data has fairly and defensibly substantiated hundreds and hundreds of competitive claims in television and print over the years.
I guess that is what Lexus meant when they said they were going to have more in-your-face advertising for its brand.
What's most impressive is that the testing is done by an independent third party and is verifiable.
03-23-13, 08:50 AM
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Here you go :
http://www.automobilemag.com/lexusgschallenge/
Autocross, 0-60, 1/4mile and braking are tested. Lexus GS vs BMW 5 and Mercedes E-Class.
Hint : The Lexus GS doesn't lose..... 
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03-23-13, 11:17 AM
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With ATS beating down on the 3 series, I guess BMW has lost it's edge. Nevertheless, BMW can put their badge on an Accent and sell it for 40K. It stopped being about performance long ago.
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03-23-13, 11:33 AM
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One must not, however, solely judge a "Driving Machine" simply by low 0-60, times, short panic-braking distances, or high figures on the skidpad and slalom. A lot more than simple raw performance is required to make a true drivers' car. One thing, over the years, that has typically made a BMW a BMW is the superb chassis-engineering which combined a virtually unmatched ride/handling combination with tactile-sensitive steering (even with power-assist) that uncanilly told the driver's fingers exactly what the two front wheels were doing. In that, BMW, IMO, still ranks very high today, if no longer at the absolute top.
03-23-13, 01:41 PM
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But the 5 series got FAT! I don't think you can consider it the absolute top with the new GS around.
If anything, I think the M3 is the car to beat with BMW, and with the last ISF have lap times similar to the M3 (and I think better acceleration time as well) I think the next gen will top it and like this thread title says, the bmw will no longer be the ultimate driving machine.
If anything, I think the M3 is the car to beat with BMW, and with the last ISF have lap times similar to the M3 (and I think better acceleration time as well) I think the next gen will top it and like this thread title says, the bmw will no longer be the ultimate driving machine.
03-23-13, 02:25 PM
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One must not, however, solely judge a "Driving Machine" simply by low 0-60, times, short panic-braking distances, or high figures on the skidpad and slalom. A lot more than simple raw performance is required to make a true drivers' car. One thing, over the years, that has typically made a BMW a BMW is the superb chassis-engineering which combined a virtually unmatched ride/handling combination with tactile-sensitive steering (even with power-assist) that uncanilly told the driver's fingers exactly what the two front wheels were doing. In that, BMW, IMO, still ranks very high today, if no longer at the absolute top.
I personally think that the 5 is just plain bada$$. I get comments all the time and Jeremy clarckson thinks so
"So, if you have the wherewithal, I suggest you buy a 5-series. It’s the absolute best of absolutely everything we know. Unless you want a Jag, of course, because that is as well."
-Comments for fun and purely tongue in cheek, no fanboyism here.
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03-23-13, 03:48 PM
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Lexus GS350 F-Sport vs BMW 535i M-Sport
Slalom :
http://youtu.be/mR2KibVqGVQ
Cornering :
http://youtu.be/Bw70Vgwmxaw
Evasive Action :
http://youtu.be/u3cCYv-DzaY
This head-to-head comparison was conducted by AMCI Testing.
About the company :
Thanks to bigblack06 over on the 4th Generation GS sub-forum for finding these.
I guess that is what Lexus meant when they said they were going to have more in-your-face advertising for its brand.
What's most impressive is that the testing is done by an independent third party and is verifiable.
Slalom :
http://youtu.be/mR2KibVqGVQ
Cornering :
http://youtu.be/Bw70Vgwmxaw
Evasive Action :
http://youtu.be/u3cCYv-DzaY
This head-to-head comparison was conducted by AMCI Testing.
About the company :
Thanks to bigblack06 over on the 4th Generation GS sub-forum for finding these.
I guess that is what Lexus meant when they said they were going to have more in-your-face advertising for its brand.
What's most impressive is that the testing is done by an independent third party and is verifiable.
darn, thats what i call owned.
it will take a while for message to get into the customer's heads but its great message.
03-23-13, 10:28 PM
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Haha...thread title fail. 
Big frickin' deal the 535 is a floaty ride that is sufficient, but doesn't target the enthusiast. Run the 550 and see how things turn out...or better yet the M5....lol.
Yes, BMW doesn't have an answer to the LF A (and never has) and the IS F stacks up nicely against the M3, but after that it's a complete joke. You can run down just about every segment and there is no answer from Lexus when it comes to driving dynamics.
SUV's? LOL! X5M/X6M or even the 5.0 are simply on a different planet. Frick, my diesel will out handle anything Lexus has.
GT cars? Hmmm....650 coupe OR convertible....or M6. Lexus' answer?
Small coupes/verts. 1M. Lexus' answer?
Flagships. B7....or I have something that will run circles around an LS....lol.
Picking one car....at the bottom of a model line up....and then touting some big "win" is a lame attempt to beat one's chest over nothing.
This is the kind of fanboi thread that I'm used to seeing on the BMW forums.
Big frickin' deal the 535 is a floaty ride that is sufficient, but doesn't target the enthusiast. Run the 550 and see how things turn out...or better yet the M5....lol.
Yes, BMW doesn't have an answer to the LF A (and never has) and the IS F stacks up nicely against the M3, but after that it's a complete joke. You can run down just about every segment and there is no answer from Lexus when it comes to driving dynamics.
SUV's? LOL! X5M/X6M or even the 5.0 are simply on a different planet. Frick, my diesel will out handle anything Lexus has.
GT cars? Hmmm....650 coupe OR convertible....or M6. Lexus' answer?
Small coupes/verts. 1M. Lexus' answer?
Flagships. B7....or I have something that will run circles around an LS....lol.
Picking one car....at the bottom of a model line up....and then touting some big "win" is a lame attempt to beat one's chest over nothing.
This is the kind of fanboi thread that I'm used to seeing on the BMW forums.
03-23-13, 10:47 PM
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lol someone is butt hurt.
03-23-13, 10:57 PM
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Why all the negativity about fanboys? I'm pretty sure most, if not all, of the registered members/readers who peruse clublexus.com are L badge fanboys.
Isn't it completely natural to have an affinity for 1 brand? I thought it was perfectly normal to love something and try your best to show others the things your brand has that theirs do not. The time when I'd draw the line is not admitting to the truths even if they have been documented numerous times. That's just denial, lol.
I'm not ashamed to admit I am a Lexus fanboy. But I won't ignore the facts if they are presented in front of me.
On the topic of the thread: Good job GS, now how about a GS F to shake things up a bit?
Isn't it completely natural to have an affinity for 1 brand? I thought it was perfectly normal to love something and try your best to show others the things your brand has that theirs do not. The time when I'd draw the line is not admitting to the truths even if they have been documented numerous times. That's just denial, lol.
I'm not ashamed to admit I am a Lexus fanboy. But I won't ignore the facts if they are presented in front of me.
On the topic of the thread: Good job GS, now how about a GS F to shake things up a bit?
