2016 Jaguar XE (priced from $35,895)
09-10-14, 05:11 AM
#121
But Camry is just a facelift and this is all new vehicle. Thats much worse.
09-10-14, 09:00 AM
#124
Lexus Champion
Am I the only person here who likes this car? 
From Car and Driver:
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...-and-info-news
We only have output numbers for the V-6 engine that will power the XE S variant at the moment. It's the same 3.0-liter supercharged powerplant familiar from elsewhere in the range, with Jaguar quoting 340 horsepower and 332 lb-ft of torque. It works through a standard eight-speed automatic transmission and delivers a claimed 4.9-sec 0-to-60-mph time and a limited 155-mph top speed; those figures are buoyed by a claimed base curb weight of 3250 pounds.
09-10-14, 10:36 AM
#125
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...ignations.html
09-10-14, 11:56 AM
#126
09-10-14, 12:05 PM
#127
Lead Lap
Am I the only person here who likes this car?
From Car and Driver:
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...-and-info-news
From Car and Driver:
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...-and-info-news
09-10-14, 06:13 PM
#129
I will not provide thorough personal commentary on my opinion of nor the attributes of the XE saloon. I will also not defend nor explain against perceived weaknesses/negatives, but will say that the X760 range's performance in other areas will more than compensate against any perceived negatives.
Well, I can say that CL at least has been kinder and more objective than I've observed from other competitors' online venues.
Levi, despite what I said above otherwise (regarding commentary, I will only clarify one thing. There was no way the X760 could acceptably premiere an all-new Jaguar design language, as it is merely entry level. Design work ended on this 2 years ago, a time when the X360 was in the conceptual design stages. Evolution of the incumbent range's design language proved palatable to the XJ's standing for the X760 programme. Many do not even know about the cancelled X151 programme and how the X152 F-Type conflicted with that.
The 2003 X350 XJ flagship was designed as early as 1997-98 and parallel to the X400 X-Type under Geoff Lawson. The 2001 X-Type arrived first, with the X350 arriving in 2003. I saw the X350 in June 2000, already finalised for 2003 production. That was a nightmare for Ford-owned Jaguar having the inferior X-Type debut in October 2000, well before the range-topping flagship by 2 years. Ian Callum's first original Jaguar design was designed through late 2002, the outgoing X150 XK. I've had my opinion on some proposed designs, but I'm not him. All I should even say about this, as I'm not exactly too anonymous and adhere to non-disclosure clauses.
1997 X350 Proposals K, T, W, & Y
1997 X400 Clay
X-Type Press Photography (October 2000)
X350 XJ Press Photography (2002)
On another note, Lexus did not even implement a family design language until the dawn of the previous decade (2000s). The XE10 IS (1996 design work), XF20 II (1996 F/L design), and XF30 LS (1997 design) bore little to no resemblance (IS to LS). This changed with the XE20 (2003 design) and XF40 (2003-04 design), with the 2006 IS even debuting 2-3 months before mere visuals of the 2007 LS were (skeptically) leaked and was launched one full year earlier than the LS. The facelifted 2013 XF40, somewhat corrected this by preceding the 2014 XE30, meaning the 2017 LS may redefine Lexus design.
BMW by comparison has a habit of neglecting the 7er, by letting the traditional entry 3-Series introduce new BMW design cues (E36 vs E38). This is somewhat similar with the F30/F32/G11, but not entirely so. Audi made the same mistake with B8 and D4, something Jaguar wanted to avoid happening again, as XJ has more history to Jaguar than the XE. Unless, the X351 facelift was to be as heavy as the 2013 LS or the 2014 E-Class, there was no point with deviating.
MB delaying the W222, allowed for a roster of models to debut the new MB design language in 2012 (A176, W212.5). The W222 was amongst the first of Prof. Wagener's new design direction in 2009, yet many believe it was "inspired" by the facelift E-Class. They thankfully made sure that the W222 still preceded the mimicking W205 C-Class and was not launched parallel to or after it. BTW, welcome to CL.
Well, I can say that CL at least has been kinder and more objective than I've observed from other competitors' online venues.
The 2003 X350 XJ flagship was designed as early as 1997-98 and parallel to the X400 X-Type under Geoff Lawson. The 2001 X-Type arrived first, with the X350 arriving in 2003. I saw the X350 in June 2000, already finalised for 2003 production. That was a nightmare for Ford-owned Jaguar having the inferior X-Type debut in October 2000, well before the range-topping flagship by 2 years. Ian Callum's first original Jaguar design was designed through late 2002, the outgoing X150 XK. I've had my opinion on some proposed designs, but I'm not him. All I should even say about this, as I'm not exactly too anonymous and adhere to non-disclosure clauses.
1997 X350 Proposals K, T, W, & Y
1997 X400 Clay
X-Type Press Photography (October 2000)
X350 XJ Press Photography (2002)
On another note, Lexus did not even implement a family design language until the dawn of the previous decade (2000s). The XE10 IS (1996 design work), XF20 II (1996 F/L design), and XF30 LS (1997 design) bore little to no resemblance (IS to LS). This changed with the XE20 (2003 design) and XF40 (2003-04 design), with the 2006 IS even debuting 2-3 months before mere visuals of the 2007 LS were (skeptically) leaked and was launched one full year earlier than the LS. The facelifted 2013 XF40, somewhat corrected this by preceding the 2014 XE30, meaning the 2017 LS may redefine Lexus design.
BMW by comparison has a habit of neglecting the 7er, by letting the traditional entry 3-Series introduce new BMW design cues (E36 vs E38). This is somewhat similar with the F30/F32/G11, but not entirely so. Audi made the same mistake with B8 and D4, something Jaguar wanted to avoid happening again, as XJ has more history to Jaguar than the XE. Unless, the X351 facelift was to be as heavy as the 2013 LS or the 2014 E-Class, there was no point with deviating.
MB delaying the W222, allowed for a roster of models to debut the new MB design language in 2012 (A176, W212.5). The W222 was amongst the first of Prof. Wagener's new design direction in 2009, yet many believe it was "inspired" by the facelift E-Class. They thankfully made sure that the W222 still preceded the mimicking W205 C-Class and was not launched parallel to or after it. BTW, welcome to CL.
Last edited by Carmaker1; 09-10-14 at 06:48 PM. Reason: Missing press photo
09-10-14, 06:40 PM
#130
I will not provide thorough personal commentary on my opinion of nor the attributes of the XE saloon. I will also not defend nor explain against perceived weaknesses/negatives, but will say that the X760 range's performance in other areas will more than compensate against any perceived negatives.
Well, I can say that CL at least has been kinder and more objective than I've observed from other competitors' online venues.
Levi, despite what I said above otherwise (regarding commentary, I will only clarify one thing. There was no way the X760 could acceptably premiere an all-new Jaguar design language, as it is merely entry level. Design work ended on this 2 years ago, a time when the X360 was in the conceptual design stages. Evolution of the incumbent range's design language proved palatable to the XJ's standing for the X760 programme. Many do not even know about the cancelled X151 programme and how the X152 F-Type conflicted with that.
The 2003 X350 XJ flagship was designed as early as 1997-98 and parallel to the X400 X-Type under Geoff Lawson. The 2001 X-Type arrived first, with the X350 arriving in 2003. I saw the X350 in June 2000, already finalised for 2003 production. That was a nightmare for Ford-owned Jaguar having the inferior X-Type debut in October 2000, well before the range-topping flagship by 2 years. Ian Callum's first original Jaguar design was designed through late 2002, the outgoing X150 XK. I've had my opinion on some proposed designs, but I'm not him. All I should even say about this, as I'm not exactly too anonymous and adhere to non-disclosure clauses.
On another note, Lexus did not even implement a family design language until the dawn of the previous decade (2000s). The XE10 IS (1996 design work), XF20 II (1996 F/L design), and XF30 LS (1997 design) bore little to no resemblance (IS to LS). This changed with the XE20 (2003 design) and XF40 (2003-04 design), with the 2006 IS even debuting 2-3 months before mere visuals of the 2007 LS were (skeptically) leaked and was launched one full year earlier than the LS. The facelifted 2013 XF40, somewhat corrected this by preceding the 2014 XE30, meaning the 2017 LS may redefine Lexus design.
BMW by comparison has a habit of neglecting the 7er, by letting the traditional entry 3-Series introduce new BMW design cues (E36 vs E38). This is somewhat similar with the F30/F32/G11, but not entirely so. Audi made the same mistake with B8 and D4, something Jaguar wanted to avoid happening again, as XJ has more history to Jaguar than the XE. Unless, the X351 facelift was to be as heavy as the 2013 LS or the 2014 E-Class, there was no point with deviating.
MB delaying the W222, allowed for a roster of models to debut the new MB design language in 2012 (A176, W212.5). The W222 was amongst the first of Prof. Wagener's new design direction in 2009, yet many believe it was "inspired" by the facelift E-Class. They thankfully made sure that the W222 still preceded the mimicking W205 C-Class and was not launched parallel to or after it. BTW, welcome to CL.
Well, I can say that CL at least has been kinder and more objective than I've observed from other competitors' online venues.
Levi, despite what I said above otherwise (regarding commentary, I will only clarify one thing. There was no way the X760 could acceptably premiere an all-new Jaguar design language, as it is merely entry level. Design work ended on this 2 years ago, a time when the X360 was in the conceptual design stages. Evolution of the incumbent range's design language proved palatable to the XJ's standing for the X760 programme. Many do not even know about the cancelled X151 programme and how the X152 F-Type conflicted with that.
The 2003 X350 XJ flagship was designed as early as 1997-98 and parallel to the X400 X-Type under Geoff Lawson. The 2001 X-Type arrived first, with the X350 arriving in 2003. I saw the X350 in June 2000, already finalised for 2003 production. That was a nightmare for Ford-owned Jaguar having the inferior X-Type debut in October 2000, well before the range-topping flagship by 2 years. Ian Callum's first original Jaguar design was designed through late 2002, the outgoing X150 XK. I've had my opinion on some proposed designs, but I'm not him. All I should even say about this, as I'm not exactly too anonymous and adhere to non-disclosure clauses.
On another note, Lexus did not even implement a family design language until the dawn of the previous decade (2000s). The XE10 IS (1996 design work), XF20 II (1996 F/L design), and XF30 LS (1997 design) bore little to no resemblance (IS to LS). This changed with the XE20 (2003 design) and XF40 (2003-04 design), with the 2006 IS even debuting 2-3 months before mere visuals of the 2007 LS were (skeptically) leaked and was launched one full year earlier than the LS. The facelifted 2013 XF40, somewhat corrected this by preceding the 2014 XE30, meaning the 2017 LS may redefine Lexus design.
BMW by comparison has a habit of neglecting the 7er, by letting the traditional entry 3-Series introduce new BMW design cues (E36 vs E38). This is somewhat similar with the F30/F32/G11, but not entirely so. Audi made the same mistake with B8 and D4, something Jaguar wanted to avoid happening again, as XJ has more history to Jaguar than the XE. Unless, the X351 facelift was to be as heavy as the 2013 LS or the 2014 E-Class, there was no point with deviating.
MB delaying the W222, allowed for a roster of models to debut the new MB design language in 2012 (A176, W212.5). The W222 was amongst the first of Prof. Wagener's new design direction in 2009, yet many believe it was "inspired" by the facelift E-Class. They thankfully made sure that the W222 still preceded the mimicking W205 C-Class and was not launched parallel to or after it. BTW, welcome to CL.
09-10-14, 06:52 PM
#131
Thanks, a bit of the insomniac right now.
I realize I cannot really be objective nor even subjective regarding the XE, so I will entertain reading all of the various commentary on it. Speaking of "XEs", the original XE10 Altezza/IS may have been the first Lexus to were "spindle shape? The LS430 had remnants of it, but I notice it more on the XE10. I will open a separate thread on this.
I realize I cannot really be objective nor even subjective regarding the XE, so I will entertain reading all of the various commentary on it. Speaking of "XEs", the original XE10 Altezza/IS may have been the first Lexus to were "spindle shape? The LS430 had remnants of it, but I notice it more on the XE10. I will open a separate thread on this.
Last edited by Carmaker1; 09-10-14 at 07:40 PM. Reason: XE10 spindle
09-11-14, 10:37 AM
#132
Jaguar's Baby Saloon Wears an XER-S Outfit
It's a little early for Jaguar to be announcing expansion plans for the new XΕ, which are believed to include an Estate and possibly a coupe, but here's a render for a high-po version of the sedan.
Made by Hungarian artist X-Tomi, the theoretical XER-S would sit above the existing XE S, which has a 3.0-liter supercharged V6 with 335bhp (340PS), and very likely, on top of an XER edition.
It would rival the BMW M3 and the forthcoming Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG and Cadillac ATS-V.
The engine of choice could be a heavily tuned version of Jaguar's 3.0-liter supercharged V6 with an output of over 400hp or a de-tuned variation of the XFR and XFR-S' 5.0-liter supercharged V8, again with around 400-450hp. The V6 would be more compatible with the XE's lightweight philosophy while also allowing Jaguar to differentiate it from the more expensive XFR.
Made by Hungarian artist X-Tomi, the theoretical XER-S would sit above the existing XE S, which has a 3.0-liter supercharged V6 with 335bhp (340PS), and very likely, on top of an XER edition.
It would rival the BMW M3 and the forthcoming Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG and Cadillac ATS-V.
The engine of choice could be a heavily tuned version of Jaguar's 3.0-liter supercharged V6 with an output of over 400hp or a de-tuned variation of the XFR and XFR-S' 5.0-liter supercharged V8, again with around 400-450hp. The V6 would be more compatible with the XE's lightweight philosophy while also allowing Jaguar to differentiate it from the more expensive XFR.
09-11-14, 03:10 PM
#135
Lexus Fanatic
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maybe should have designation Y-XES 