swajames

It's a night and day difference. Some design themes carry over, but the RR cabin is in a different league.

I have a 2012 RR HSE Luxury and it's been excellent. Service at the RR dealer has been better than I received from BMW, Lexus, MB and Porsche. I've been very happy with my 2012 and the new model is better still.

Hoovey689

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Some of this may be in part because RR is a lower volume automaker, they can focus more attention on the customer

Blackraven

^^^Agreed

Land Rover is still considered to be the LEAST RELIABLE manufacturer in the United Kingdom.

For those who've owned LR2 and Freelander vehicles, you can't imagine what the general public says regarding how much POS those vehicles are.

And here's a quote from someone at Teamspeed.com forums:

Aron9000

Personally I like the styling of the previous Range Rover over this. It was very upright, boxy, formal, it had such a presence on the road. This new model is also beautiful, but its way too feminine for my tastes. The sloping rear roof, the way the hood is set back from the front bumper, it all reminds me too much of the very feminine Land Rover Evoque. The old model was brash, with a bit of British restraint, ie it looked very masculine without being over the top like a Hummer or a lifted pickup truck.

NJSTSX

I drove a new 13' Range Rover yesterday and I was both impressed and let down by the new model. The look of the new design is amazing with the exception of the wheels that were on the one I drove and I though the optional painted gills on the side looked kind of cheap. The interior is very nice and minimalistic over the last generations button heavy center console. The **** shifter from Jaguar is a pretty cool touch and the wood, metal, an leather are all very nice and top quality. One thing I did notice when getting in was that the drivers seat was loud and made a lot of creaking noises. The auto open/close hatch on the demo was also broken and made mind numbing crunching noises when it was being opened. I know it was a demo car but for a nearly $100,000 brand new car I was a little concerned and the sales guy was a little embarrassed lol. The drive of the car is very solid and power is more than sufficient. Estimated mpg is also up to 16 city/20 hwy with the lighter weight and is better than the Yukon Denali we currently own. Overall i will have to say i was more impressed the first time I drove the last generation model than I am with the new 13'.

Aron9000

Those power liftgates we have now, they just seem so silly, just like the automatic trunk closers of Lincolns and Cadillacs of old. Just something else that WILL BREAK and cost a fortune to fix. At least with those old cars you could snag a trunk latch out of a Chevy or Ford that didn't have that stupid trunk pulldown feature for cheap.

NJSTSX

The new Rover has a power bench gate on the bottom and a power lift gate on top that are supposed to close together making even more complicated.

bitkahuna

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yeah let's go back to wind up windows, manual seats and mirrors, and do away with auto headlights, dimming mirrors, bluetooth, etc. too while we're about it since they're all just "something else that will break and cost a fortune to fix."

a power lift gate is extremely useful on suvs as those doors are heavy and for (how do i say) people not as strong as some, it makes the car more practical. also, if you have stuff in your hands/arms and just want to put it in the vehicle without putting it all down first, that's another win.

kwr

I have a cousin whose Dad's best friend's brother drives a '12 BMW 750 that has been in the shop bi-weekly for electrical issues. No wait that is my 750. My point is you have no credibility until you've ACTUALLY owned the vehicle. I have a 750 in addition to a RR (as well as a Benz). The funny thing is all 3 of my rovers have been more reliable than the Porsche 911 I traded for the 750. Maybe I'm just lucky.

Not saying some RR's don't have problems. As pointed out in this thread earlier, not every Honda is reliable and not every BMW is unreliable. Clearly if reliability was your main priority or concern, you should have bought a Lexus instead of a BMW. Now let's get back to discussing the full size RR, not the sport or BMW 750. Enjoy your 750!

Aron9000

I'm not a ludite, but the problem with those power liftgates like the Cadillacs of old, is people don't know how to use them and break them. Even if you're careful you'll eventually have that one meathead riding with you who will slam the liftgate down right in the middle of while its doing its auto-close trick and break it. In my line of work(dealer) I have seen how there's about a 50% failure rate on these things after the car gets about 4-5 years old(same thing with automatic minivan doors)

CDNROCKIES

Wtf are you talking about???

Learn to read.

The point that your RR's have been reliable means absolutely nothing. All of the data indicates that RR have terrible reliability. Your experience is anecdotal. My info about my business partner's experience is also anecdotal. Neither negates one or the other.

I passed on the RR because of the terrible sales, not the reliability. I could not care less what you own or have owned. Big f'n deal. We just got rid of our Benz and Lexus last year.

Guess because you have more money than everybody else here, you're the only one with any credibility.

Back on topic....RR reliability sucks....RR sales and service is even worse.

kwr

Embrace your own advice and learn to read. Better yet learn to comprehend.

You still have no credibility. Also back on topic means we discuss the redesigned RR. Hint: This thread is not about reliability, service or sales.

I'm done with this thread. Enjoy you're very special and reliable BMW 750iL.

CDNROCKIES

Wtf do you keep bringing up my car for?

I'll wait for your 18th post that brags about your garage and disparages Lexus just like all your other post.

patgilm

^^^Agree 100%. You cannot take your own, or people you know, experience and come to a conclusion. You have to look at a large sample population to come up with a proper conclusion. This is why people say Land Rover's are not reliable because of issues encountered on a much larger scale. Drives me crazy when people ignore this based on their own experience. I love Range Rover's and will likely get one when we get rid of our GX but when I test drove a Sport and an LR4 recently and I asked the salesman about reliability his response was that they are getting better. At least he was honest.

blacksc400

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Everyone please get back to the topic.