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Old 11-27-12, 08:25 PM   #16
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where did u see that?
In the text under the first pic.
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The 2014 Genesis will be based on a heavily-upgraded rear-wheel-drive architecture which will provide significant contribution to the car’s overall weight reduction. According to sources close to Hyundai, the new model will lose more than 100 kilograms in overall weight. Rumored to make its official public debut in the second half of 2013, the 2014 Hyundai Genesis will also provide sportier driving experience thanks to its upgraded suspension set-up. Under the hood, the forth-coming Genesis sedan will feature a range of highly-potent V6 and V8 engines mated to the 10-speed automatic transmission. Additionally, the fuel-savy hybrid powertrain is rumored to be available as well, however, we have no technical details about it at this point!
9-speeds aren't even out yet!
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9-speeds aren't even out yet!
Chrysler will have one soon.
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Chrysler will have one soon.
Aisin and ZF haven't even released them yet and now were at 10 was the point.

Look for a 9-speed in the Dart
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Aisin and ZF haven't even released them yet and now were at 10 was the point.

Look for a 9-speed in the Dart
Yeah I figured that was your point. Where will it end? Not that I'm complaining.
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Yeah I figured that was your point. Where will it end? Not that I'm complaining.
begs the ever popular question, where do "X-Speed's" end and CVT's begin

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It looks like it is going to be a very attractive car.
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Old 11-28-12, 02:30 AM   #23
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Interesting...already looks better than the previous gen, but we'll see how it turns out.
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Old 11-28-12, 03:13 AM   #24
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begs the ever popular question, where do "X-Speed's" end and CVT's begin
i dont get the point of 10 speeds over CVTs.
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i dont get the point of 10 speeds over CVTs.
The current state of the art CVTs – the belt and variable-diameter pulley kind – cannot handle a high torque load without slipping (and losing efficiency). The maximum torque they can currently handle seems to be about 250 lb.ft , the torque output of Nissan’s V6; Nissan puts CVTs on its V6s but not its V8s. A CVT would not be able to handle the torque of the Hyundai V8.

So we may get traditional, toothed-gear transmissions (automatic, manual and automated-manual) with higher and higher gear counts until we come to an economical limit.

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German transmission supplier ZF has a nine-speed automatic that will be introduced next year, and reports have said Hyundai is looking to pack ten forward gears into a forthcoming gearbox. What's next? Cars with as many gears as mountain bikes?

That's unlikely, says ZF North American president Julio Caspari, who tells Automotive News that the gear race is "close to the limit." AN says Caspari thinks marketing may be a bigger factor than engineering when it comes to developing transmissions with additional gears, citing just an 11-percent difference between the best transmissions today and a theoretically perfect unit.

Caspari questions the cost-effectiveness of building a so-called "perfect" transmission, saying that further friction reduction would require expensive materials, like ceramic ball bearings.
Source: http://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/10/zf-boss-says-transmission-gear-count-one-upsmanship-nearing-end/
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Where were you all in the MPG lowering thread?
 
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It will have 500hp and be rated at 40 MPG with 0-60 in 4 seconds.

Real world owners will get 12 MPG and 0-60 in 8.9 seconds



Looks nice so far to me.
because owners who opt for the v8 clearly care for mpgs.


spy shots look pretty decent. I'm still a fan of the current generation gen. wouldn't mind a 5.0 rspec myself
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The current state of the art CVTs – the belt and variable-diameter pulley kind – cannot handle a high torque load without slipping (and losing efficiency). The maximum torque they can currently handle seems to be about 250 lb.ft , the torque output of Nissan’s V6; Nissan puts CVTs on its V6s but not its V8s. A CVT would not be able to handle the torque of the Hyundai V8.

So we may get traditional, toothed-gear transmissions (automatic, manual and automated-manual) with higher and higher gear counts until we come to an economical limit.



Source: http://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/10/zf-boss-says-transmission-gear-count-one-upsmanship-nearing-end/
Seems logical that they're reaching a point of diminishing return.
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begs the ever popular question, where do "X-Speed's" end and CVT's begin
if you were paying attention in math class, they don't ever quite meet and there's likely a differential equation in there somewhere

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because owners who opt for the v8 clearly care for mpgs.
actually they typically do (unless you're buying a ferrari or other exotic) - cuz people want it all. can't blame 'em!
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Lol that's also true. i guess I'm spoiled by myshort commute.
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