2013 Motor Trend Car of the Year (COTY)
11-12-12, 04:17 PM
#31
Lexus Fanatic
I agree. Teslas, despite their engineering and capabilities, in most cases just cost too much, selling in too-few numbers to be serious (or even significant) players in the auto-market.
Last edited by mmarshall; 11-12-12 at 04:20 PM.
11-12-12, 04:28 PM
#32
Lexus Fanatic
The award is announced.....the Tesla. I don't agree with the award, but there it is.
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Last edited by mmarshall; 11-12-12 at 04:33 PM.
11-12-12, 06:42 PM
#33
Lexus Test Driver
Kind of surprised, but I guess it has it's merits- for those lucky enough to have driven one.
Maybe we can look at this car winning as something that will help spark other manufacturers to apply said technology into more mainstream applications (as Toyota and Chevy have already begun doing).
Maybe we can look at this car winning as something that will help spark other manufacturers to apply said technology into more mainstream applications (as Toyota and Chevy have already begun doing).
11-12-12, 08:22 PM
#35
Pole Position
It's quite significant that only the GS out of the ES/GS/LS lineup made it into the finalists sub-group. And that MT considers the new GS as the flagship of Lexus currently ( over the ageing LS platform ). And reading between the lines, if not for the existence of the Tesla S, the GS may well have won COTY.
At least this (MT's fondness for the GS) bodes well for Lexus' future since the GS is the tip of the spear heralding Lexus' new focus on ride/handling and fun-to-drive cars, especially with the new IS around the corner and the LS probably 1-2 years away.
The GS is just the first example of Lexus' new direction. I'm sure the new IS and future LS will only build on this direction that Lexus is taking : standout interiors, edgey exterior styling and class-leading ride/handling.
Links to the final analysis of each Lexus model
ES : http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/..._es.html?ti=v3
GS : http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/..._gs.html?ti=v3
LS : http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/..._ls.html?ti=v3
At least this (MT's fondness for the GS) bodes well for Lexus' future since the GS is the tip of the spear heralding Lexus' new focus on ride/handling and fun-to-drive cars, especially with the new IS around the corner and the LS probably 1-2 years away.
The GS is just the first example of Lexus' new direction. I'm sure the new IS and future LS will only build on this direction that Lexus is taking : standout interiors, edgey exterior styling and class-leading ride/handling.
Links to the final analysis of each Lexus model
ES : http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/..._es.html?ti=v3
GS : http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/..._gs.html?ti=v3
LS : http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/..._ls.html?ti=v3
11-12-12, 09:24 PM
#38
It's quite significant that only the GS out of the ES/GS/LS lineup made it into the finalists sub-group
11-12-12, 11:08 PM
#39
Lexus Fanatic
I think MT is really out of touch with their readers and reality. They bring up the Lexus LS as being super important, well since the LS was released, they picked the Lincoln LS, PT Cruiser, Ford Thunderbird, Chrysler Cirrus, Lincoln Town Car, Cadillac Seville and Chevy Caprice as car of the year. Where are these models today? So picking the Tesla means nothing.
How well has the Volt been selling?
The Ford Fusion has already been redesigned since it won it 2010?
Yes, the LS was important but why are they using the LS as a reference, they are really out of touch.
And for the record, the year the LS was introduced, MT picked the Ford Thunderbird SC as the COTY. Goes to show you what MT really knows.
How well has the Volt been selling?
The Ford Fusion has already been redesigned since it won it 2010?
Yes, the LS was important but why are they using the LS as a reference, they are really out of touch.
And for the record, the year the LS was introduced, MT picked the Ford Thunderbird SC as the COTY. Goes to show you what MT really knows.
11-13-12, 07:24 AM
#40
I think MT is really out of touch with their readers and reality. They bring up the Lexus LS as being super important, well since the LS was released, they picked the Lincoln LS, PT Cruiser, Ford Thunderbird, Chrysler Cirrus, Lincoln Town Car, Cadillac Seville and Chevy Caprice as car of the year. Where are these models today? So picking the Tesla means nothing.
How well has the Volt been selling?
The Ford Fusion has already been redesigned since it won it 2010?
Yes, the LS was important but why are they using the LS as a reference, they are really out of touch.
And for the record, the year the LS was introduced, MT picked the Ford Thunderbird SC as the COTY. Goes to show you what MT really knows.
How well has the Volt been selling?
The Ford Fusion has already been redesigned since it won it 2010?
Yes, the LS was important but why are they using the LS as a reference, they are really out of touch.
And for the record, the year the LS was introduced, MT picked the Ford Thunderbird SC as the COTY. Goes to show you what MT really knows.
2013 Tesla Model S
2012 Volkswagen Passat
2011 Chevrolet Volt[10]
2010 Ford Fusion[11]
2009 Nissan GT-R
2008 Cadillac CTS
2007 Toyota Camry
2006 Honda Civic
2005 Chrysler 300
2004 Toyota Prius
2003 Infiniti G35
2002 Ford Thunderbird
2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser
2000 Lincoln LS
1999 Chrysler 300M
1998 Chevrolet Corvette
1997 Chevrolet Malibu
1996 Dodge Caravan
1995 Chrysler Cirrus
1994 Ford Mustang
1993 Ford Probe GT
1992 Cadillac Seville Touring Sedan
1991 Chevrolet Caprice Classic LTZ
1990 Lincoln Town Car
1989 Ford Thunderbird SC
1988 Pontiac Grand Prix
1987 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe
1986 Ford Taurus LX
1985 Volkswagen GTI (eligible due to it being built in VW's now-defunct Pennsylvania plant)
1984 Chevrolet Corvette
1983 AMC / Renault Alliance
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
1981 Chrysler K Cars, Dodge Aries and Plymouth Reliant
1980 Chevrolet Citation
1979 Buick Riviera S
1978 Chrysler, Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon
1977 Chevrolet Caprice
1976 Chrysler, Dodge Aspen and Plymouth Volare
1975 Chevrolet Monza 2+2
1974 Ford Mustang II
1973 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
1972 Citroën SM (an imported vehicle that was selected overall "Car of the Year")
1971 Chevrolet Vega
1970 Ford Torino
1969 Plymouth Road Runner
1968 Pontiac GTO
1967 Mercury Cougar
1966 Oldsmobile Toronado
1965 Pontiac Motor Division
1964 Ford Motor Company (not for the Mustang)
1963 American Motors (AMC) Rambler (all models: American, Classic, and Ambassador)
1962 Buick Special
1961 Pontiac Tempest
1960 Chevrolet Corvair
1959 Pontiac Motor Division
1958 Ford Thunderbird
1957 Chrysler Corporation (all makes: Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto, Chrysler, and Imperial)
1956 Ford Motor Company
1955 Chevrolet Motor Division
1954 No award
1953 No award
1952 Cadillac Motor Division
1951 Chrysler Corporation
1950 No award
1949 Cadillac Motor Division
11-13-12, 07:46 AM
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I disagree the GS 350 is a 60k car and the Avalon is also high 50K. The Teslas base car is 50k so I think its competitive. Are you saying they should of selected a more practical car?
11-13-12, 08:23 AM
#43
Pole Position
How practical is refuelling going to be without the quick-charge option ? And how much extra is the quick charge option on the Tesla S?
For a rich man who uses it as a toy car on weekends, sure it'll be fun but as a daily driver? And with the limited network of recharge stations? Good luck with that.
In order to be practical, the Tesla S is a car model that will be heavily dependent on an extensive and EXPENSIVE public infrastructure. One that will be paid for by government taxation of the general public, most of whom will never own a Tesla and hence never make use of the recharge stations that their taxes just paid for. In order for the Tesla S to be viable, it will be the vast majority subsidizing the lifestyle of a few privileged minority.
For a rich man who uses it as a toy car on weekends, sure it'll be fun but as a daily driver? And with the limited network of recharge stations? Good luck with that.
In order to be practical, the Tesla S is a car model that will be heavily dependent on an extensive and EXPENSIVE public infrastructure. One that will be paid for by government taxation of the general public, most of whom will never own a Tesla and hence never make use of the recharge stations that their taxes just paid for. In order for the Tesla S to be viable, it will be the vast majority subsidizing the lifestyle of a few privileged minority.
11-13-12, 08:48 AM
#44
In order for electric vehicles to be viable (which is inevitable), it will need inevitable changes to infrastructure. Tesla now, everybody else in the future.
Do you think people whined when a certain privileged few had cars instead of horses in the year 1900? Infrastructure to build roads and bridges to accommodate "the few privileged minority" were done to accommodate a greater scale of people in the near future.
11-13-12, 09:03 AM
#45
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You think too small.
In order for electric vehicles to be viable (which is inevitable), it will need inevitable changes to infrastructure. Tesla now, everybody else in the future.
Do you think people whined when a certain privileged few had cars instead of horses in the year 1900? Infrastructure to build roads and bridges to accommodate "the few privileged minority" were done to accommodate a greater scale of people in the near future.
In order for electric vehicles to be viable (which is inevitable), it will need inevitable changes to infrastructure. Tesla now, everybody else in the future.
Do you think people whined when a certain privileged few had cars instead of horses in the year 1900? Infrastructure to build roads and bridges to accommodate "the few privileged minority" were done to accommodate a greater scale of people in the near future.
So now its not okay to "trickle down"