Lexus LS650 Prototype Set for Essen Motor Show
11-13-12, 12:54 PM
#31
that's what we care about this car anyway, right? the core, engine, transmission, performance, power, etc... those are all part of the R&D and huge on reliability.
it's just like the lfa, when doing R&D rumors were the redline could be at 12k no problem. but on the production, it's dialed down
it's just like the lfa, when doing R&D rumors were the redline could be at 12k no problem. but on the production, it's dialed down
11-13-12, 02:33 PM
#32
Lexus Champion
They've been testing this car for over a whole year now. The engine is the V8 from the IS-F, but it's redline in the IS-F is below 7000rpm, but from the spy shots of this car at TMG's facilities, it's said to be 9000rpm! Remember this?
That picture is dated 9-21-2011, but was taken a couple months before it's posting.
That picture is dated 9-21-2011, but was taken a couple months before it's posting.
Last edited by TF109B; 11-13-12 at 02:37 PM.
11-13-12, 04:25 PM
#34
Are you saying that they are not qualified to do road car? Kind of seems silly... this is not some OC tuner.
11-13-12, 04:35 PM
#35
Lexus Champion
Seriously? They tested the car for over a year now. Not just on track at the Nurburgring. It seems as if the car is suppose to be a high performance machine that will command a pretty high price if purchased. Those that can afford cars like these don't need to drive them daily. But being TMG (Toyota) I have little doubts the 'Lexus' aspect of the car stays. Like spy said, TMG is Toyota. They built the F1 cars, the TS030, the WRC rally cars etc.
11-13-12, 05:13 PM
#36
i am not sure whats your point there though? TMG is probably better equipped than AMG or M Sport divisions... I mean these are people who actually built F1, FIA WEC, FIA WRC cars.
Are you saying that they are not qualified to do road car? Kind of seems silly... this is not some OC tuner.
Are you saying that they are not qualified to do road car? Kind of seems silly... this is not some OC tuner.
start tracing back to what BRN said. he said car is ready for production, i put my doubts on that. where in there did i say TMG is incapable?
Seriously? They tested the car for over a year now. Not just on track at the Nurburgring. It seems as if the car is suppose to be a high performance machine that will command a pretty high price if purchased. Those that can afford cars like these don't need to drive them daily. But being TMG (Toyota) I have little doubts the 'Lexus' aspect of the car stays. Like spy said, TMG is Toyota. They built the F1 cars, the TS030, the WRC rally cars etc.
if this is the start of an R&D project, the idea is to test the limit, how far the car can be pushed. and when it is done and production cycle approved, then it's about long term tear and wear testing (which have very different criteria) on what to scale back and how much, to make the car reliable.
so you are saying if lexus sells this car, it's not going to be daily run, so it doesn't have to achieve certain level of lexus quality and reliability? please give me a break and stop kidding yourself. even the lfa attains that kind of reliability, let alone anything in the LS segment.
Last edited by rominl; 11-13-12 at 05:16 PM.
11-13-12, 05:30 PM
#37
no, that's not what i meant at all. i am sure they are very capable in building all kind of cars. but i am saying there is no solid proofs that the car is ready for production, there isn't even spy pics of the car on public roads.
start tracing back to what BRN said. he said car is ready for production, i put my doubts on that. where in there did i say TMG is incapable?
oh yeah? where did you see the car tested or spied outside of the ring? at least i haven't seen any pics.
if this is the start of an R&D project, the idea is to test the limit, how far the car can be pushed. and when it is done and production cycle approved, then it's about long term tear and wear testing (which have very different criteria) on what to scale back and how much, to make the car reliable.
so you are saying if lexus sells this car, it's not going to be daily run, so it doesn't have to achieve certain level of lexus quality and reliability? please give me a break and stop kidding yourself. even the lfa attains that kind of reliability, let alone anything in the LS segment.
start tracing back to what BRN said. he said car is ready for production, i put my doubts on that. where in there did i say TMG is incapable?
oh yeah? where did you see the car tested or spied outside of the ring? at least i haven't seen any pics.
if this is the start of an R&D project, the idea is to test the limit, how far the car can be pushed. and when it is done and production cycle approved, then it's about long term tear and wear testing (which have very different criteria) on what to scale back and how much, to make the car reliable.
so you are saying if lexus sells this car, it's not going to be daily run, so it doesn't have to achieve certain level of lexus quality and reliability? please give me a break and stop kidding yourself. even the lfa attains that kind of reliability, let alone anything in the LS segment.
11-13-12, 05:44 PM
#38
Seriously? They tested the car for over a year now. Not just on track at the Nurburgring. It seems as if the car is suppose to be a high performance machine that will command a pretty high price if purchased. Those that can afford cars like these don't need to drive them daily. But being TMG (Toyota) I have little doubts the 'Lexus' aspect of the car stays. Like spy said, TMG is Toyota. They built the F1 cars, the TS030, the WRC rally cars etc.
(assuming it's price is within my budget, but my educated guess is it will be, it won't be anymore then an AMG S63.)Most AMG S63, Alpina B7, Audi S8 are people's daily driver.
11-13-12, 05:44 PM
#39
the technology and sports tuning (on engine and suspension) on this car, that's the true value that i look forward to
11-13-12, 05:46 PM
#40
thanks for putting the truth out 
as an actual potential buyer of S63 (before i got the nsx), it would definitely be my daily. and fact is those who can afford the car? they just daily it and trade it for something else down the road. gas is hardly a problem. but with that said, a ls-f would be such a dream come true
as an actual potential buyer of S63 (before i got the nsx), it would definitely be my daily. and fact is those who can afford the car? they just daily it and trade it for something else down the road. gas is hardly a problem. but with that said, a ls-f would be such a dream come true
11-13-12, 05:47 PM
#41
yes, that's exactly my point. as i said in post #9, this is fantastic stuff and we need more of it. but this ready to go into production as BRN mentioned in post #28? that's what i am unsure.
the technology and sports tuning (on engine and suspension) on this car, that's the true value that i look forward to
the technology and sports tuning (on engine and suspension) on this car, that's the true value that i look forward to
11-13-12, 05:50 PM
#42
thanks for putting the truth out as an actual potential buyer of S63 (before i got the nsx), it would definitely be my daily. and fact is those who can afford the car? they just daily it and trade it for something else down the road. gas is hardly a problem. but with that said, a ls-f would be such a dream come true
as an actual potential buyer of S63 (before i got the nsx), it would definitely be my daily. and fact is those who can afford the car? they just daily it and trade it for something else down the road. gas is hardly a problem. but with that said, a ls-f would be such a dream come trueAs much as paying for gas is not a concern, is still painful to see it suck down gas so quickly
11-13-12, 05:53 PM
#43
yes, that's exactly my point. as i said in post #9, this is fantastic stuff and we need more of it. but this ready to go into production as BRN mentioned in post #28? that's what i am unsure.
the technology and sports tuning (on engine and suspension) on this car, that's the true value that i look forward to
the technology and sports tuning (on engine and suspension) on this car, that's the true value that i look forward to
i dont think production is a problem of anything else but making money on it.
What I found interesting is that TMG does not produce their own engines, they are shipped from Japan... That means that both this and 1.6l Turbo in Yaris WRC are built in Japan.
11-13-12, 09:12 PM
#45
Lexus Champion
TMG don't need to produce the engines because of the expertise in Japan in that area. But the misconception I've been seeing around seems to be this is some tuning shop project. It's much more than that. They have the capability to make an entire vehicle. And I wasn't implying cars like this (S63 AMG etc.) aren't driven daily. I said people with money to buy a car like this don't need to drive it daily. There's a difference, even if it were less reliable than your typical Lexus it won't affect those buying it much. And I think there is pictures of the car driving from or to the 'Ring. No matter, it's still a Lexus. TMG isn't far from the 'Ring either. It's a little more than an hour's drive. And we all know how the weather is in that part of the country.
