Acura NSX News
10-31-15, 08:14 PM
#901
I agree spwolf but I did not receive an output target.
Let's try this. If Honda is building 800 launch editions (maybe all for the US) from let's assume October 2015 to March 2016, that is less that 150 cars per month. So let's round up and say they will burp out 2000 cars per year for worldwide deliveries.
Let's try this. If Honda is building 800 launch editions (maybe all for the US) from let's assume October 2015 to March 2016, that is less that 150 cars per month. So let's round up and say they will burp out 2000 cars per year for worldwide deliveries.
10-31-15, 08:31 PM
#902
I agree spwolf but I did not receive an output target.
Let's try this. If Honda is building 800 launch editions (maybe all for the US) from let's assume October 2015 to March 2016, that is less that 150 cars per month. So let's round up and say they will burp out 2000 cars per year for worldwide deliveries.
Let's try this. If Honda is building 800 launch editions (maybe all for the US) from let's assume October 2015 to March 2016, that is less that 150 cars per month. So let's round up and say they will burp out 2000 cars per year for worldwide deliveries.
10-31-15, 08:58 PM
#903
That is just a guesstimate
Yes, it will be branded as a Honda in markets not having Acura
If the Wiki page is correct Acura is only in the United States, Canada, Hong Kong, Mexico, China and Russia
Yes, it will be branded as a Honda in markets not having Acura
If the Wiki page is correct Acura is only in the United States, Canada, Hong Kong, Mexico, China and Russia
11-02-15, 02:22 PM
#905
Advanced
3 year wait for $170K+ markup or waltz on down to your local Audi dealer and pick up a new R8 with the sweet V10 for around $200k, outfitted how you like, with the awesome v10 sound, 2.6 sec 0-60. Does not seem like a hard choice if you have the cash, at least it would not be for me.
11-02-15, 03:12 PM
#906
Moderator: LFA, Clubhouse
Acura is out of their minds if they think people will wait 3 years for custom orders. How long did I wait for my LFA after production started - maybe 4 months? Didn't Lexus even manage to shift Nür production units up compared to the original schedule?
And how do you explain to the biggest NSX/Acura fans who have been waitlisting for years that if they want one remotely close to the release, it'll be a factory-spec car with no choice on options?
And how do you explain to the biggest NSX/Acura fans who have been waitlisting for years that if they want one remotely close to the release, it'll be a factory-spec car with no choice on options?
Last edited by gengar; 11-02-15 at 03:22 PM.
11-02-15, 07:51 PM
#907
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
Now for some specifics
Acura will be building 800 units for the original release and the very first one will be auctioned off at the Barret Jackson auction.
Brochures for in house use were provided to dealers.
Deliveries to commence February or March 2016.
After the original release, customers will be able to order through an Acura dealer who has to have the order approved with the manufacturer.
Acura predicts the average wait time will be about 3 years!
Acura will be building 800 units for the original release and the very first one will be auctioned off at the Barret Jackson auction.
Brochures for in house use were provided to dealers.
Deliveries to commence February or March 2016.
After the original release, customers will be able to order through an Acura dealer who has to have the order approved with the manufacturer.
Acura predicts the average wait time will be about 3 years!
gengar, the wait for your fabulous LFA wasn't that long because the demand wasn't that high... no jab at your car, it's pure awesome.
so if demand for nsx isn't all that, it sure as hell won't take 3 years to get one. but if there's 3000 orders with 800 coming a year, then that's where 3 years comes in, although above says 800 initially, not necessarily a whole year so supply could be better than that.
11-02-15, 08:40 PM
#908
The 800 number was for the launch edition to be followed by regular production.
As another example of how bad the Acura info flow is, I called a dealer near Milwaukee. The sales guy thought they were only building 100 cars a year and that they were being built by hand.
Based on the level of automation Honda put into that factory, no way that is going to be a 100 cars per year output.
I would love to see a good market analysis for exotic cars.
The unit volume in the category has gone way up with McLaren burping out the cars like they have been with the 12C and then the 650S and are likely to with the 570S.
As another example of how bad the Acura info flow is, I called a dealer near Milwaukee. The sales guy thought they were only building 100 cars a year and that they were being built by hand.
Based on the level of automation Honda put into that factory, no way that is going to be a 100 cars per year output.
I would love to see a good market analysis for exotic cars.
The unit volume in the category has gone way up with McLaren burping out the cars like they have been with the 12C and then the 650S and are likely to with the 570S.
11-02-15, 09:40 PM
#909
Moderator: LFA, Clubhouse
You're right that maybe the NSX won't be in as high demand as Acura thinks it is (consider how many people may have just kept their place in line from the deposits they started making in 2011). It'd be a shame though as I want the NSX to be successful. But this recent news makes it feel like Honda isn't giving much regard to its loyal customers/fans.
I thought production had already been confirmed delayed to at least Spring 2016. I find it unlikely Honda is going to produce 800 cars before even delivering and collecting money on one - the cash flow that would get tied up in that distribution model is obscene. I find it more likely that Acura's current plan is that the first one will roll off the assembly line in Spring 2016 and be delivered, and the launch editions will continue to flow slowly to dealers as they get produced.
Last edited by gengar; 11-02-15 at 09:43 PM.
11-03-15, 04:57 AM
#910
Pole Position
maybe the wait is 3 years IF the demand is that high.
gengar, the wait for your fabulous LFA wasn't that long because the demand wasn't that high... no jab at your car, it's pure awesome.
so if demand for nsx isn't all that, it sure as hell won't take 3 years to get one. but if there's 3000 orders with 800 coming a year, then that's where 3 years comes in, although above says 800 initially, not necessarily a whole year so supply could be better than that.
gengar, the wait for your fabulous LFA wasn't that long because the demand wasn't that high... no jab at your car, it's pure awesome.
so if demand for nsx isn't all that, it sure as hell won't take 3 years to get one. but if there's 3000 orders with 800 coming a year, then that's where 3 years comes in, although above says 800 initially, not necessarily a whole year so supply could be better than that.
11-03-15, 05:33 AM
#911
My local dealer said they were guaranteed at the sales meeting that they would have their first car in either in February or March 2016.
I believe the statement from someone at Acura referred to regular production in Spring 2016.
I continue to be stumped as to why they chose to build unordered launch edition to be followed by the cars being customer speced. I agree that their Capitol will be tied up in some inventory and intuitively that is not the smartest play but debt is cheap these days.
They already have a factory that that have used to build a handful of cars so no reason to believe they can't keep burping out cars designated as launch editions for the next few months.
Trying to keep what Honda says publically in perspective, when the S2000 hit I believe the comment from Honda was 5000 units for the U.S. in the first year. Their actual was about 7500.
I believe the statement from someone at Acura referred to regular production in Spring 2016.
I continue to be stumped as to why they chose to build unordered launch edition to be followed by the cars being customer speced. I agree that their Capitol will be tied up in some inventory and intuitively that is not the smartest play but debt is cheap these days.
They already have a factory that that have used to build a handful of cars so no reason to believe they can't keep burping out cars designated as launch editions for the next few months.
Trying to keep what Honda says publically in perspective, when the S2000 hit I believe the comment from Honda was 5000 units for the U.S. in the first year. Their actual was about 7500.
11-05-15, 01:01 PM
#912
Moderator: LFA, Clubhouse
Plus, IMO it seems likely Acura is still making changes to the NSX. Hence the NDA even for ridealongs at NSXPO. As I said before, absolutely crazy that they would do that.
EDIT: BTW, I can't find a single source that claims Acura is already producing launch edition customer vehicles. Every news report I found says production was delayed to Spring 2016. Of course, this could be misreported, but I can't find anything remotely indicating that production is already underway and 800 vehicles will be ready by February/March.
Last edited by gengar; 11-05-15 at 01:06 PM.
11-05-15, 05:31 PM
#913
The guy at the dealership has been pretty straight with me.
Besides, they site is about sharing intel, info and interpretations.
More than one dealer i spoke with talked about launch edition cars and one was specific that they would be informed in November about number of cars and the build for the ones they will receive.
800 cars amongst 270 dealers is nothing. One car has to go to each dealership owner (cuz that is how life iz) and that leaves about 2 launch edition cars per dealer for customers. That will be tweaked as only a subset will get NSX's. My guy said they had to invest in upgrading their show room connected to the program.
Besides, they site is about sharing intel, info and interpretations.
More than one dealer i spoke with talked about launch edition cars and one was specific that they would be informed in November about number of cars and the build for the ones they will receive.
800 cars amongst 270 dealers is nothing. One car has to go to each dealership owner (cuz that is how life iz) and that leaves about 2 launch edition cars per dealer for customers. That will be tweaked as only a subset will get NSX's. My guy said they had to invest in upgrading their show room connected to the program.
11-05-15, 07:43 PM
#914
Moderator: LFA, Clubhouse
Not doubting you or your information and I am glad you are sharing. My point is simply that there's no way Acura would make that guarantee and I am pretty certain you know that as well as I do. Stuff always gets crossed up, especially when the message is getting delivered down a huge chain and when salespeople are involved.
11-07-15, 08:15 AM
#915
Regarding the annual output question, Automotive news included the following in an article today
"Acura expects to sell about 800 a year once production at its Performance Manufacturing Center in Marysville, Ohio, is running at full tilt."
Based on that, is sounds like more overly excited sales guy smeared the launch edition and general production info into one bagel. Still seem crazy low volume to me.
"Acura expects to sell about 800 a year once production at its Performance Manufacturing Center in Marysville, Ohio, is running at full tilt."
Based on that, is sounds like more overly excited sales guy smeared the launch edition and general production info into one bagel. Still seem crazy low volume to me.