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Old 10-26-15, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by gengar
I'd have to drive them back to back to compare accurately, but having spent a day with the Nismo recently, I doubt it's changed much on the "engaging drive" front.
That's too bad, Nissan really has an great opportunity that they seem to have either missed or just not understand.

Hats off to you sir, you seem to have a fine stable of autos.
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Originally Posted by LOWFAST
That's too bad, Nissan really has an great opportunity that they seem to have either missed or just not understand.

Hats off to you sir, you seem to have a fine stable of autos.
Nissan understood exactly what they were doing. When the GT-R first came out, it was busting the ***** of cars much more expensive than it. Nissan's engineers knew there was going to be some sacrifices to get there and that's OK- the GT-R is something different but isn't a bad car by any stretch. I've loved my time driving one but it's certainly not an analogue experience. The reviews of the Nismo model have mentioned its incredibly hard-edged, so much so that it's really not enjoyable on the street anymore. I'd wager to say its driving engagement has been enhanced as much as it can be with that chassis.

At this point the GT-R's main fault is that its old, gotten more expensive, and the competition has caught up. The next iteration is likely going to be great.
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Originally Posted by rominl
that's exactly the fear i have on the new nsx. the original was raw
an old lambo was raw... the original nsx was positively genteel in comparison. the beauty of the original nsx (and yes i know you have one) is its lightness in every way... gas, clutch, steering, etc. as you know it wasn't the fastest thing out there, but totally unique and special.

a new nsx doesn't have to be the same in any way really to be unique and special. it may not be for some people, but then the original nsx didn't sell in very big numbers either.
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Old 10-26-15, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TangoRed
These are the most harsh first drive's I've read in a long time. Usually first drives are super positive no matter the car.
the motortrend article hardly seems harsh with parts like this:

The non-VTEC, non-balance-shafted, port- and direct-injected, DOHC, 24-valve, 3,493cc V-6 produces 500 hp from 6,500 to its 7,500-rpm redline, along with a 406-lb-ft plateau of torque, available from 2,000 to 6,000 rpm. Like all high-specific-output turbo engines, the 143 hp-per-liter V-6 uses big turbos to provide boost (up to 15.2 psi) and thus suffers from significant turbo lag. To mask that, the NSX's three electric motors assist while the turbos are spooling. Both front motors are there to help, as well as a 47-hp, 109-lb-ft motor sandwiched between the V-6 and the nine-speed wet dual-clutch automatic.

You can hear the turbos while you're driving, but you won't believe they're actually there. The relationship between your right foot and the engine's output is so incredibly linear that you'd swear on your life that the NSX's engine was naturally aspirated. At higher road speeds, where the electric motors' output drops relative to the gas engine's, you can feel some lag, but only if you're looking for it. This, kids, is the proper way of dealing with turbo lag in a supercar. Ferrari, take note.
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Porsche 911 GT3, MB GTS, Audi R8
No Nismo? I was gonna give you that
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The new NSX seems to lack, as auto snobs calls it, soul. It will do everything you ask it to do, at least based on the auto blog article. I would interpret that as appliance like. And at 3800lbs, the thing is the equivalent of a full size refrigerator in appliance terms.
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Originally Posted by situman
The new NSX seems to lack, as auto snobs calls it, soul.
you mean it's not crude and brash and noisy? soul is often defined as quirky too... people who test cars for a living but don't have to actually own and use them day in and day out seem like a pretty jaded bunch, wanting something, anything, to jar them out of boredom so they seek 'soul' knowing that once the few hours of testing is over, they are likely to never drive the thing again.

the real world on the other hand, is different.

many who own a 'soul less' GTR love them, because of the sheer technological brilliance and performance as well as uniqueness, while reviewers will complain that it's not like a 'proper' sports car.
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Some random thoughts

They kind of missed the norms in the super car space

Only a few exterior colors and no bicolor option
The interiors appear to be preset with just a leather grade option (semi-analine) vs do what you want
No front lift option
No electric folding mirrors
No high end hifi option like B and W
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
an old lambo was raw... the original nsx was positively genteel in comparison. the beauty of the original nsx (and yes i know you have one) is its lightness in every way... gas, clutch, steering, etc. as you know it wasn't the fastest thing out there, but totally unique and special.

a new nsx doesn't have to be the same in any way really to be unique and special. it may not be for some people, but then the original nsx didn't sell in very big numbers either.
i don't think sales number has anything to do with it. lfa doesn't sell good at all here in the US but it's still a wonderful car. everyone can have their own definition of raw, but when i said original nsx is raw i am comparing the way it was designed. gtr is unique too but i have very little interest in it. i'd rather have a car that challenges me to drive it well, than one that drives well for me automatically
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Old 10-27-15, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LOWFAST
Most likely very few will agree with me but I wonder what this could have been if it was just the 500hp turbo six. Loose the batteries, electric motors and all the extra redundant crap. A 3200lb 500hp NSX, with good steering and brakes, for $120k, that is good on the track and comfortable on the street, yes please. Probably also a much better spiritual successor to the original.
There are rumors something like that may be coming although it may look different and be called a different name.
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Old 10-27-15, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rominl
i don't think sales number has anything to do with it. lfa doesn't sell good at all here in the US but it's still a wonderful car. everyone can have their own definition of raw, but when i said original nsx is raw i am comparing the way it was designed. gtr is unique too but i have very little interest in it. i'd rather have a car that challenges me to drive it well, than one that drives well for me automatically
Interesting cause I think totally opposite. I want my car to let me get to its limits without much effort and fear. I love when car oozes confidence when you drive it.

And I was never a fan of light car + big engines for big bucks like AMG GT. I think its too of an easy formula. I don't count LFA due to arguably one of the best naturally aspirated engines ever put in a production car.

There is something I love about technology overload and side sliding for me doesn't count as fun. I prefer a car that cuts through corners with surgical precision and with an ease while being predictable and neutral. That's why I like GTR and EVOs so much.
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Porsche 911 GT3, MB GTS, Audi R8
None of those cars are better then the new NSX, they all have compromises, don't perform as well in many aspects, or are simply really dull looking(R8).
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Originally Posted by rominl
that's exactly the fear i have on the new nsx. the original was raw, the new one looks nice and few things look promising. but i wouldn't want it like the gtr, which i have little feelings about
The original NSX was actually not really that raw. Compared to modern cars it was/is but compared to a Ferrari 348, Lambo, or Porsche 911 back then the NSX was sort of like the new is and not as visceral, many criticized the original as not having that white knuckle supercar feeling/experience even though some of that experience was from a more flawed compromised car, rawness or that it was just a little too polished, civil and not as visceral. That is kind of what they are saying about this new one mainly with the standard tires so it is pretty similar to the original despite many not wanting to admit it. The only difference is back then the Ferrari 348 was not all that great and pretty easy to beat to now the Ferrari 458/488 is all the rage with the motoring press and they are in love with it.
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