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Old 09-04-12, 11:50 AM   #31
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What happened to BMW last month? GS outsold the 5 series??

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... CT still doing well
down 30% is doing well?
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Old 09-04-12, 11:53 AM   #33
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^^^ utterly wrong again sorry. even your ILX comment is way off base they want to sell 3,600 a month and they are not close to it. Tl sales goal was 70k and they are not close to it.
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allow me to rephrase myself: the ILX and RDX is probably two most recent successful Acuras out there. they might not be close to where they expected, but they are hell a lot better than TL, RL, ZDX and TSX (esp the wagon version).

i think the RDX will trump MDX once the new MDX come out (the old MDX can almost be obtained for the same price as the RDX, but with SH-AWD and site for 7)
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Old 09-04-12, 11:57 AM   #34
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Mitsubishi Motors North America (MMNA) today reported August 2012 sales of 4,249 units, down 46.8 percent compared to August 2011.

Outlander Sport continues to be Mitsubishi's top seller in the U.S., and the month's sales total includes the initial sales of the 2013 Outlander Sport, which began production in Normal, Illinois in July.

"Customers continue to be attracted to the Outlander Sport's mix of style, performance, and fuel efficiency,"
said MMNA President & CEO Yoichi Yokozawa. "We expect sales of the Outlander Sport to be further fueled by our 'Unpretentious' marketing campaign, which began over the Labor Day weekend."
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Incredible, look at those BMW drops! ES outsold the 3 Series, and the GS outsold the 5 Series!

Lexus outsold BMW for the month by a decent margin.

Let me repeat that again folks, the GS outsold the 5 Series

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the majority of es sales were likely the close-out of the last gen. i'd say probably next month (not this month, september) will tell a better story when old es will have been gone for a bit.
There is no way of knowing that. The 2013 ES was on sale for most of August, so hard to tell which sold more. If I had to bet, I would say the majority were of the new model.

Of course we shall see how ES holds in the future, but the main point remains; ES combined old and new model sales co-existed with GS sales for the month.

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down 30% is doing well?
For a fickle and niche market segment, with sales still above 1,000, yes it's still doing relatively well. The luxury compact hatch segment is not a consistent segment in the US, it's extremely hard to maintain any sort of consistent sales in the segment.

No comments on Hyundai's mediocre performance for August?
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Camry sales at almost 37K, Corolla at over 24K *AND* Prius sales at over 21K? Absolutely unreal! Those are simply competition-crushing numbers. Only Accord came close this month to the Camry, everything else was crushed sales-wise by the Camry in the class. Altima nowhere close to Camry sales, and Camry sales were almost double Sonata sales.
That is true but keep in mind that this is only the first full month of sales of the new Altima. Most dealers still didn't have great inventory at the beginning of the month. When the redesigned Camry bowed it too had low sales the first few months and didn't really get going until about the third month of sales. That should be the case too with Altima.
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Incredible, look at those BMW drops! ES outsold the 3 Series, and the GS outsold the 5 Series!

Lexus outsold BMW for the month by a decent margin.

Let me repeat that again folks, the GS outsold the 5 Series



There is no way of knowing that. The 2013 ES was on sale for most of August, so hard to tell which sold more. If I had to bet, I would say the majority were of the new model.

Of course we shall see how ES holds in the future, but the main point remains; ES combined old and new model sales co-existed with GS sales for the month.



For a fickle and niche market segment, with sales still above 1,000, yes it's still doing relatively well. The luxury compact hatch segment is not a consistent segment in the US, it's extremely hard to maintain any sort of consistent sales in the segment.

No comments on Hyundai's mediocre performance for August?
You can't talk bad about Hyundai on internet

Surely the GS outselling the 5 is just a weird month. What's sad is the m37/56 selling barely over 660 units. The GS had outsold it 2 to one and now it's 3 to one.

FYI the ct outsold the crz, insight and ILX hybrid combined times two.
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Mercedes-Benz USA (MBUSA) today reported August sales of 20,557 for its Mercedes-Benz models, delivering a record year-to-date total of 168,462 new vehicles to customers, up 13.5%.

Combined sales of Mercedes-Benz passenger vehicles, smart and Sprinter for the month totaled a record of 23,439, up 13.1% bringing the MBUSA year-to-date total to a record 188,351, up 17.9%.

"With an all-time record setting year so far and now with exciting product in the pipeline, including the all-new GL-Class currently on its way to dealers across the country, we plan to build on this momentum through the end of the year," stated Steve Cannon, president and CEO, MBUSA.

Mercedes-Benz sales for the month of August were led by the C-, E- and GLK-Class model lines. The sporty C-Class - the gateway to the Mercedes-Benz brand on the car side for younger and first-time Mercedes-Benz buyers - took the lead with sales of 6,519, up 37.9%. The 9th generation E-Class followed with sales of 4,515 and MBUSA's restyled compact SUV, the GLK-Class, rounded out the top three with sales of t 2,775, up 43.6%. Additionally, the sporty SLK roadster sold 373 vehicles for the month, up 174.3%.

At the high end, the all-new iconic sixth generation 2013 SL roadster - which debuted in showrooms this past spring - posted sales of 604 yielding an increase of 705.3% and the SLS AMG supercar retailed at 51 for the month, up 59.4% over the same period last year.

On a year-to-date basis, top performers were the C-Class with 49,868, the E-Class with 39,970 and the M-Class with 24,659.

Monthly sales of the high-performance AMG models were 637, up 55.7% versus August 2011 (409) and up 52.1% year to date.

Sales of the company's BlueTEC diesel models were up 38.9% for the year at 10,717 compared to the 7,717 diesels sold over the same period last year.

The company's smart brand continued ten consecutive months of sales increases with August sales of 753, an 85.9% jump for the month (compared to the 405 vehicles sold in August 2011) bringing the year-to-date volume to 6,281 up 758.1% when compared to the 732 vehicles sold by MBUSA last year. When compared to the combined Penske and MBUSA sales year-to-date last year (3,288), sales are up 91%.

On the van side, Sprinter sold 2,129 vehicles in August - up 15.3% over last year and up 27.5% on a year-to-date basis.

Separately, through the Mercedes-Benz Certified Pre-Owned (MBCPO) program, MBUSA sold 6,921 vehicles in August; an increase of 17.3% when compared to August 2011 (sales of 5,901 vehicles). On a year-to-date basis, MBCPO sold 52,859 vehicles, an increase of 2.3% over the comparable period (with sales of 51,651 vehicles).

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        Mercedes-Benz Passenger Vehicles Aug 12              Aug-11              Monthly %           YTD 2012            YTD 2011            Yearly %
        
C-CLASS                          6,519               4,728               37.9%               49,868              39,263              27.0%
        
E-CLASS                          4,515               5,628               -19.8%              39,970              42,707              -6.4%
        
S-CLASS                          927                 981                 -5.5%               7,289               7,430               -1.9%
        
CL-CLASS                         64                  110                 -41.8%              490                 642                 -23.7%
        
SL-CLASS                         604                 75                  705.3%              2,628               1,118               135.1%
        
SLS AMG                          51                  32                  59.4%               669                 429                 55.9%
        
SLK-CLASS                        373                 136                 174.3%              2,872               2,343               22.6%
        
CLS-CLASS                        807                 765                 5.5%                5,400               2,797               93.1%
        
R-CLASS                          14                  30                  -53.3%              1,416               1,904               -25.6%
        
M-CLASS                          2,243               2,191               2.4%                24,659              19,158              28.7%
        
G-CLASS                          143                 131                 9.2%                668                 878                 -23.9%
        
GL-CLASS                         1,522               1,730               -12.0%              15,598              14,655              6.4%
        
GLK-CLASS                        2,775               1,933               43.6%               16,935              15,073              12.4%
        
TOTAL                            20,557              18,477              11.3%               168,462             148,409             13.5%
        *
SPRINTER                        2,129               1,846               15.3%               13,608              10,673              27.5%
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smart                          753                 405                 85.9%               6,281               732                 758.1%
        
MBUSA                            Aug 2012            Aug-11              Monthly %           YTD 2012            YTD 2011            Yearly %
        
Combined Total
        GRAND TOTAL                      23
,439              20,728              13.1%               188,351             159,814             17.9
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That is true but keep in mind that this is only the first full month of sales of the new Altima. Most dealers still didn't have great inventory at the beginning of the month. When the redesigned Camry bowed it too had low sales the first few months and didn't really get going until about the third month of sales. That should be the case too with Altima.
Which is offset by closing out 2012 models.

Around December we can see how the ES and Altima are selling with the new models. I think the Altima will sell at the same rate, haven't seen more plant capacity added and the coupe is dropped I think.

Did the camry slow down? I thought it sold pretty sold even when new.
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Wow, so ES outsold the C Class as well. Absolutely amazing month for ES, the best-selling luxury car for August, with the RX the best-selling luxury vehicle for the month.

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That is true but keep in mind that this is only the first full month of sales of the new Altima. Most dealers still didn't have great inventory at the beginning of the month. When the redesigned Camry bowed it too had low sales the first few months and didn't really get going until about the third month of sales. That should be the case too with Altima.
Yeah I totally get that, my main point was how strong Camry was against established competitors like Sonata.

Altima should do very well, we'll see how well it does in the coming months. Even though I'm not a fan of the exterior in real life, they did what seems to be an overall good job on the car.

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Surely the GS outselling the 5 is just a weird month. What's sad is the m37/56 selling barely over 660 units. The GS had outsold it 2 to one and now it's 3 to one.

FYI the ct outsold the crz, insight and ILX hybrid combined times two.
Yeah it probably is a weird month, but when was the last time that happened between the GS and 5 Series? M37/56 sales aren't even worth mentioning sadly. Yeah my point is CT sales at almost 1500 is still strong for it's segment. It's down from last year, but those were exceptional sales last year.
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C class is a killer since they added the coupe and revised it. Great job Benz.
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Weird month for BMW...wonder what happened to the 5 Series. Can't say that the GS necessarily hurt it's sales, as GS was consistent at 1,600 - 2,000 units. I wonder if there were some negative effects of BMW's sell off from last month, where they marked almost anything with 4 wheels as "sold" to inflate the reported numbers.

I don't doubt that a solid portion of ES sales were selloffs of the old model, but I do not think the numbers are hugely inflated either. Dealers still don't have a full stock of 2013 ESs and the hybrid is in extremely high demand. Once inventories are up and production of the ES 300h is full-scale, I think we will see sales volume that is relatively similar to what we have seen from the 3 and C: 6,000 - 7,000 units a month into 2013. And those numbers include coupes for the Germans as well.

Comparing sales of the sedans alone, I think the entry lux segment will be a three-way race between the ES, 3 and C, though Mercedes and BMW don't break out their sales by model so we will never know.
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fantastic month for lexus, and bmw had one horrible month, ouch!
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Quick comparo:

August 2012 Sales by Brand
Lexus: 24,237
Mercedes: 20,557
BMW: 16,835
Audi: 11,524

Entry Level Luxury Sedan Sales:
Lexus ES: 7,557
Mercedes C Class: 6,519
BMW 3 Series: 6,208
Audi A4: 3,187
Lexus IS: 2,369

Midsize Luxury Sedan Sales:
Lexus ES: 7,557
Mercedes E Class: 4,515
Lexus GS: 1,831
BMW 5 Series: 1,688
Audi A6: 1,569

Entry Level Luxury CUV Sales:
Lexus RX: 8,628
BMW X3: 2,829
Mercedes GLK: 2,775
Audi Q5: 2,007

Midsize Luxury CUV/SUV Sales:
Lexus RX: 8,628
BMW X5: 3,568
Mercedes ML: 2,243
Lexus GX: 1,071
Audi Q7: 951

I included the ES with both sedan groups because at this point, I think it is relevant to include with both. While it is priced more like an entry level model, it is larger than most of the midsize cars and can also reach $45-$50k without much effort. Looking at these numbers, I do think that the ES is taking a bite out of the midsize market as a whole. Call me crazy, but I have seen the ES often cross shopped with the 528i, 535i and E350. The numbers for both of those cars are down this month. Solely because of the ES? No way...BMW is oddly off-beat but the E Class is long in the tooth and coming up for a refresh. Was the ES a factor? I think it would be silly to say "no".

BMW has a problem with the 3 series, and this is not just a one-month observation. The (old yet refreshed) C has either been nipping at the 3's heels or outselling it for a few months now. I remarked a while ago that the 3 Series was once a 8-10k a month car... but now, even with the brand new body style, they are averaging 6,500 - 7,000 a month. I know that the coupe and M3 have not been redesigned, but those will not make up for the 2-3k of missing sales volume. Mercedes has really hurt BMW here, I think. Once the IS and G are redesigned, and ATS comes online fully, this could be a real problem for BMW.

Lexus RX may very well steal the title of best selling luxury vehicle this year: BMW 3 Series (60,621) vs. Lexus RX (60,002).
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RE: BMW

No reason to get all excited. 4GS had no effect on 5 series sales.

5 series numbers looked like a shortage, so I googled it to get some confirmation.

http://online.wsj.com/public/page/auto-industry.html

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BMW AG on Monday said new-car sales for its namesake brand in the U.S. market declined 19% in August, and blamed the drop on a shortage of vehicles after strong gains in June and July.
Just an odd month. Will be back to 5000 soon.
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