Tada-san & Sasaki-san teases new Toyota Supra and sub 86 entry-level model
10-09-12, 01:22 PM
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Of course a hybrid race car can be light. It is totally stripped to the bone with most body panels replaced with carbon fiber, and with a much smaller battery to provide enough energy only for short bursts of accelerations, expecting to get recharged braking into the next corner, which is not what a road car needs at all.
This thread is about an affordable road-going sports car (in the spirit of the MR2 and the Supra), not an exotic or a purpose-built race car costing well north of $100k. An affordable sports car should not be a hybrid, and the GRMN Sports Hybrid concept's sheer weight is proof of that.
This thread is about an affordable road-going sports car (in the spirit of the MR2 and the Supra), not an exotic or a purpose-built race car costing well north of $100k. An affordable sports car should not be a hybrid, and the GRMN Sports Hybrid concept's sheer weight is proof of that.
Oh btw, this thread is titled Supra AND sub 86 model. Theres always a possibility Toyota will be making an affordable hybrid sportscar. In fact I'd call it a probability.
10-09-12, 02:37 PM
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So it will most likely be FWD, and smaller/lighter.
Maybe next Scion tC actually? aka new Celica?
10-09-12, 04:55 PM
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those wide-body MR-S's are not "real" cars :-)
and no way it would cost less... only way for it to cost less is
1. Based on high production vehicle
2. Reduced weight so it could be powered by smaller/cheaper engine
To me that means FWD based on Yaris with modified engine and suspension. Taking rear bench out of FR-S will not make it 2200lbs or cheaper to make... but making it based on Yaris just like this is losely based on Impreza, will.
and no way it would cost less... only way for it to cost less is
1. Based on high production vehicle
2. Reduced weight so it could be powered by smaller/cheaper engine
To me that means FWD based on Yaris with modified engine and suspension. Taking rear bench out of FR-S will not make it 2200lbs or cheaper to make... but making it based on Yaris just like this is losely based on Impreza, will.
10-09-12, 05:42 PM
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10-09-12, 06:24 PM
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Just cutting 8" of steel wont make it significantly cheaper.
10-09-12, 06:40 PM
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10-09-12, 07:03 PM
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Huh? When did I mention the MR2/MR-S? I said an MX-5 competitor. The MX-5 is currently cheaper than the FR-S because of its less powerful engine and smaller size. Toyota can easily make one by shrinking/shortening the FR-S package and turning it into a 2-seater targa-top (a RWD Del Sol basically). Throw in the 1.6L boxer and they're done.
it needs to be another platform completely.
10-09-12, 07:41 PM
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What the **** does the MX-5 have to do with anything? The MX-5 is priced like the FR-S. The new car is clearly going to be cheaper than both and likely not sharing a platform. The engineers for the FRS has openly stated they hate platform sharing across different vehicles.
10-09-12, 08:29 PM
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After reading the article for a second time he uses words like "mass-market and cheaper" when talking about the sub 86 car. Which could mean cheap sporty front wheel drive car AKA Celica replacement. Would make sense for a new Celica to be develop side by side let say a 3rd gen Scion tC. But then again who knows, guess we just have to wait and see.
10-09-12, 09:02 PM
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After reading the article for a second time he uses words like "mass-market and cheaper" when talking about the sub 86 car. Which could mean cheap sporty front wheel drive car AKA Celica replacement. Would make sense for a new Celica to be develop side by side let say a 3rd gen Scion tC. But then again who knows, guess we just have to wait and see.
10-09-12, 11:57 PM
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What the **** does the MX-5 have to do with anything? The MX-5 is priced like the FR-S. The new car is clearly going to be cheaper than both and likely not sharing a platform. The engineers for the FRS has openly stated they hate platform sharing across different vehicles.