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Old 08-02-12, 07:53 PM   #31
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Honda may not be laughing as much as you think. Sure, they are still making money, much like GM once did, and relying on aging, mediocre products. Their new Civic model is getting awful reviews, and if the rest of their line up follows in Civics footsteps, they are going to be the next GM in another 10 years.
Euro Civic has gotten pretty good reviews, so apparently it cant be that bad if only difference is little bit extra insulation and slightly nicer plastics, right?
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Old 08-02-12, 07:59 PM   #32
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Euro Civic has gotten pretty good reviews, so apparently it cant be that bad if only difference is little bit extra insulation and slightly nicer plastics, right?
No idea about the European model, but the US model is disappointing and a step down from the last model.
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Old 08-02-12, 08:12 PM   #33
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Why discard that works??

Unless they have DI and carbon buildup resolved, there was no point to rush just 'cuz.
Sorry, but Toyota has had that resolved with their D4-S dual injection system, which debuted in 2005, that was 7 years ago. So this still is a big embarrassment for Honda.
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Old 08-03-12, 06:04 AM   #34
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Sometimes it is not worthwhile to put any more power in passenger cars. Honda doesn't want to be part of the more-power championship.
Great point.
310 HP is plenty is a Accord for the average family that wants the 6 cyl..The car will be quick.
A GS has 306 HP.That's a car that should have more HP.
Most Accords sold will be the 4 cyl.

Some may knock Honda but Civics and Accords have sold well and probably always will.
The next generation Accord may outsell the Camry..

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Old 08-03-12, 06:32 AM   #35
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Between the new Altima and Accord, Toyota may be in for a rough period with the Camry. They put 7/10ths in to redesign the car, Nissan threw down every card they had, and it looks like Honda is playing to win as well.

May the best car win!
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Great point.
310 HP is plenty is a Accord for the average family that wants the 6 cyl..The car will be quick.
A GS has 306 HP.That's a car that should have more HP.
Most Accords sold will be the 4 cyl.

Some may knock Honda but Civics and Accords have sold well and probably always will.
The next generation Accord may outsell the Camry..
I agree. In this segment as long as the car is class competitive in size, features, hp, gas mileage etc. that's what it takes. Sales of the Accord, Camry, Altima etc. bear this out. In Honda's case 310 hp from the V6 is plenty.
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Old 08-03-12, 10:46 AM   #37
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The sleeper in this discussion of mid-size cars is the coming Ford Fusion. Totally new design with racy styling and advanced engineering. Like the Sonata, there is no V-6, but a high tech Ecoboost 2 liter 4 cylinder for top power. They have gone down in engine size for the hybrid and will have really outstanding mpg in a mid-size car.

Will the typical American "family car" buyer embrace new styling/technology or will they keep buying the traditional Camry and Accord? Ford has taken a big risk betting on advanced styling/technology in what has been a conservative segment. If they fail, look for more dull mid size sedans in the future.
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Sorry, but Toyota has had that resolved with their D4-S dual injection system, which debuted in 2005, that was 7 years ago. So this still is a big embarrassment for Honda.
I am sorry but I do not agree with that assessment.

D4S dual port- and direct-injection technology is just midway compromise, introducing more components by the way.
Toyota's D4-S is just a band-aid for being legally stuck having to keep PCV on the car from the factory.
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Their new direct-injected 3.5L still-SOHC V6...

310hp/265tq. Hmmm...

VQ35HR: 306hp/268tq
2GR-FSE: 306hp/277tq

So after nearly 10 years Honda finally manages to get a whole 4hp more from their 3.5L class engine than their Japanese rivals Lexus and Infiniti, but still come up short on torque. Some things just never change. 10 years of progress in action, eh?
I haven't read much into the 3.5L, but the only application so far mentioned is the Pilot. It may very well find its way into the Accord, which isn't too bad, considering neither the Altima or Camry are using the 306hp powerplant. Honda may or may not bump up the power for the Acura models. Now if this engine makes its way into the TL/RL without any change in power, then that's a big embarrassment. Throw this engine into the Odyssey and it might just start the minivan-hp war.
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