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Old 08-01-12, 07:05 PM   #16
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There were rumors of a diesel MDX back in 2005-2006. Whatever happened to that?
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Old 08-01-12, 07:09 PM   #17
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There were rumors of a diesel MDX back in 2005-2006. Whatever happened to that?
the TSX was also slated to get a diesel. Just more is all
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Old 08-01-12, 07:22 PM   #18
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The reason they have so much money is because they're hardly even trying and selling arguably sub-standard cars in more than a few cases with technologies that have long since paid for themselves to overly loyal customers who are still happy to pay way more money than they should be all for that beloved "H" emblem.

A lot of companies would kill for customers like those.

Wow CVTs, direct injection, and finally some 6 speed transmissions. Welcome Honda you've finally made it... to 2007!
those customers are loyal for a reason.
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Why discard that works??

Unless they have DI and carbon buildup resolved, there was no point to rush just 'cuz.
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The reason they have so much money is because they're hardly even trying and selling arguably sub-standard cars in more than a few cases with technologies that have long since paid for themselves to overly loyal customers who are still happy to pay way more money than they should be all for that beloved "H" emblem.

A lot of companies would kill for customers like those.

Wow CVTs, direct injection, and finally some 6 speed transmissions. Welcome Honda you've finally made it... to 2007!
When you still see 10-15 year old Accords/Civics on the road as common as the newer model Elantras/Sonatas, you understand why Honda retains its customer base. Its reliability is simply top notch. Same case with Toyota.

At the end of the day, most drivers keep their cars longer and longer nowadays. And Honda cars will EASILY last you 10 years with minimal problems.

My mom has a 5th gen accord, and my dad has a 6th gen accord and both have been as bulletproof as can be.
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The reason they have so much money is because they're hardly even trying and selling arguably sub-standard cars in more than a few cases with technologies that have long since paid for themselves to overly loyal customers who are still happy to pay way more money than they should be all for that beloved "H" emblem.

A lot of companies would kill for customers like those.

Wow CVTs, direct injection, and finally some 6 speed transmissions. Welcome Honda you've finally made it... to 2007!
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Old 08-02-12, 03:37 AM   #22
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And after all that the 3.5L V6 engine is still SOHC!
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According to an Automotive News report, the direct-injected, dual overhead cam powerplant range is said to be good for a 10-percent increase in fuel economy over the current lineup.

How did you get SOHC from this?
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Old 08-02-12, 08:04 AM   #23
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Thank the hot selling CR-V
Yup, I bought one.
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How did you get SOHC from this?
Sorry there's multiple threads on this and thought I had posted this link here also:

http://world.honda.com/news/2011/411...ogy/index.html

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[ 3.5L class engine ]
Employs new valve train mechanisms and direct injection technology in the SOHC, VTEC, VMC systems to improve by over 10%*3 of fuel efficiency and 5%*3 of output, relative to the present standalone engine model.
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The old engine is SOHC, only had variable timing on the intake side, not exhaust.

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the TSX was also slated to get a diesel. Just more is all
could not meet California emissions without making it cost more. Solution wouldve been to sell it to everyone else
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Old 08-02-12, 01:07 PM   #26
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On the CVT...

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For the compact and mid-size classes, in addition to the reductions in size and weight, transmission efficiency was greatly improved by expanding the ratio range to achieve fuel efficiency improvements of 5%*3 and 10%*3 compared to the conventional CVT and comparable 5ATs, respectively.
So a 10% improvement with their CVT vs a 5AT, except that everybody has long since moved on from 5-speed automatics except for Honda. Other manufacturers have also claimed 10% efficiency improvements if not more with their 6/7/8-speed automatics. So not surging ahead here either. Their efficiency might be competitive but doubtful it will be class leading.

Their new direct-injected 3.5L still-SOHC V6...

310hp/265tq. Hmmm...

VQ35HR: 306hp/268tq
2GR-FSE: 306hp/277tq

So after nearly 10 years Honda finally manages to get a whole 4hp more from their 3.5L class engine than their Japanese rivals Lexus and Infiniti, but still come up short on torque. Some things just never change. 10 years of progress in action, eh?



Can they beat GM?

3.6L DOHC VVT V6: 323hp / 278tq (Camaro). Work it out by hp and torque per liter and...

Nope.

Not bashing SOHC engines as the Honda J-series V6s are simple, elegant, and efficient engines. But premium cars need premium engines, and the bottom line is that SOHC saves THEM money. They seem to have this "two cams per vehicle" philosophy. So all the 4-cylinders can get DOHC and more advanced features, but their higher level offerings which are powered by V6s are left with SOHC??? I've never understood this.

I dunno. Maybe Honda will pull rabbits out of their hats and they'll miraculously start getting better mileage and performance than everybody else while also having the lowest emissions, but I'm sorta doubting that. Who thinks the next Accord 4-cylinder will beat the Altima's 0-60 in 7.1s and 38 mpg highway ratings? I don't.
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Sometimes it is not worthwhile to put any more power in passenger cars. Honda doesn't want to be part of the more-power championship.
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Old 08-02-12, 07:11 PM   #28
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Only their cars.

Their motorcycles, boats, generators, and lawnmowers are pretty good.
Honda needs to get out of the automobile business. Stick to making little motorcycles, boat/lawnmower/generator engines and go karts. Over the past few years they've clearly proven their incompetence and ineptitude of the automobile market.
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The reason they have so much money is because they're hardly even trying and selling arguably sub-standard cars in more than a few cases with technologies that have long since paid for themselves to overly loyal customers who are still happy to pay way more money than they should be all for that beloved "H" emblem.

A lot of companies would kill for customers like those.

Wow CVTs, direct injection, and finally some 6 speed transmissions. Welcome Honda you've finally made it... to 2007!
When we are making fun of Honda being way behind in bringing new auto technologies to their lineup, probably Honda is laughing at us of not knowing how to make as much cash as possible while doing business. Honda is always embracing "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" strategy. Since they can sell so many vehicles with the current technologies, why switch to those gimmicky things that might break down in the long run, the technologies and features that haven't been proven to be extremely reliable? In my opinion, Honda is still doing what a regular car company is supposed to do, bring people easy to afford and reliable products, even they lack excitement and spice. I think Acura is the one to be blamed at, since they are constantly bringing mediocre vehicles that feel and look like rebadged Hondas while charging you Lexus money.
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Old 08-02-12, 07:50 PM   #30
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Honda may not be laughing as much as you think. Sure, they are still making money, much like GM once did, and relying on aging, mediocre products. Their new Civic model is getting awful reviews, and if the rest of their line up follows in Civics footsteps, they are going to be the next GM in another 10 years.
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