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Old 07-11-12, 08:26 AM   #106
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Best selling luxury brand for 11 years...totally makes sense. In the luxury space, Lexus is not even part of the conversation.



...and still remains less expensive than the S Class, 7 Series, A8 and XJ...aka it's entire competitive set.



Lexus is the best selling brand for 11 years (thanks to RX +ES) but Lexus LS is not always the best selling luxury flagship. Mercedes S Class is now still the best selling in its flagship class despite its age. On average, S Class is the most expensive but still best selling through its current cycle, that is the point.
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Ideally we all want an LS F. 5.0L or 5.7L V8 at most with 480+ HP.

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That's FAR from ideal for a LS-F, if they even make one ...
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Lexus is the best selling brand for 11 years (thanks to RX +ES) but Lexus LS is not always the best selling luxury flagship. Mercedes S Class is now still the best selling in its flagship class despite its age. On average, S Class is the most expensive but still best selling through its current cycle, that is the point.
yep.. but keep in mind both BMW and MB have a lot bigger incentives today...

Funnily enough, here is what I got from the guy that sold me GS350, 10 seconds ago.

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I'm excited to inform you that there is a NEW $12,000 Factory Incentive on 2012 Mercedes Benz S Classes Saving You Up To $24,000 Thousand Off MSRP and Lease Payments As Low As $769/mo.. Please call me ASAP so we can provide you updated free custom verbal quote.
kind of funny that email came when i was reading this thread :-). He literally emails me only once every 3-4 months.

edit: i just checked their LS prices... their S classes are 20k off, their LS's 5k. Lexus LS 460 L AWD is 78k while S550 4Matic is 83k. I might be Lexus fan, but I would get S550 at that price anytime.
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yep.. but keep in mind both BMW and MB have a lot bigger incentives today...

Funnily enough, here is what I got from the guy that sold me GS350, 10 seconds ago.



kind of funny that email came when i was reading this thread :-). He literally emails me only once every 3-4 months.
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yep, i had to use a broker since i was exporting car out of the country and no lexus dealer wanted to sell a car (policy)... they were very very nice.
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still i am pretty sure s will be more expensive overall (given its inflated msrp and then big incentives).

and let's not forget, most ls sold are swb, which has a much lower price point. you can't even find swb s here in the US. so i think it's still a true statement that sales of s is pretty strong. ls was doing great the first year, but it's time for another jump start
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to be honest , I think the S class facelift did a much better job than that of the LS , had I waited one more year , I would quite likely have picked the facelifted S550 over the LS too ...
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I might be Lexus fan, but I would get S550 at that price anytime.
Take a look at the depreciation on MB vehicles.
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edit: i just checked their LS prices... their S classes are 20k off, their LS's 5k. Lexus LS 460 L AWD is 78k while S550 4Matic is 83k. I might be Lexus fan, but I would get S550 at that price anytime.
S-classes depreciate like rocks and there is a million and five things that can go wrong with them.
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A guy came in the other day to trade in his 08 S600.

150k new...

We offered him 30k. lol. I think it had around 60k miles on it.
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Best selling luxury brand for 11 years...totally makes sense. In the luxury space, Lexus is not even part of the conversation.



...and still remains less expensive than the S Class, 7 Series, A8 and XJ...aka it's entire competitive set.



lol I thought the same thing...terrible writing and an unwarrented jab at Lexus.

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Lexus is the best selling brand for 11 years (thanks to RX +ES) but Lexus LS is not always the best selling luxury flagship. Mercedes S Class is now still the best selling in its flagship class despite its age. On average, S Class is the most expensive but still best selling through its current cycle, that is the point.
And mercedes is the best selling brand thanks to C-class/E class, whats your point? We just found out 76% of Benz's are LEASED and incentives are always higher so MSRP doesn't mean much of anything.

The LS and S-class have traditionally battled it out in sales for the #1/#2 spot. The current S-class continues to do a stellar job and is an incredible vehicle.

The LS is quite the amazing Japanese luxury car b/c the other two brands don't even have a car of this class and as the LS continues to go up in price, it always sells very well.
 
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still i am pretty sure s will be more expensive overall (given its inflated msrp and then big incentives).

and let's not forget, most ls sold are swb, which has a much lower price point. you can't even find swb s here in the US. so i think it's still a true statement that sales of s is pretty strong. ls was doing great the first year, but it's time for another jump start
yeah, but when you go to the showroom and you get 105k car for 82k, then it is hard to look at 75k car... there is no doubt that S design has grown old the least out of all competitors, it simply looks like expensive car. Add attractive leases to that and it is easy to see why people get the S.
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A guy came in the other day to trade in his 08 S600.

150k new...

We offered him 30k. lol. I think it had around 60k miles on it.
LMAO!!!! Hahaha..that made my day.
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That's FAR from ideal for a LS-F, if they even make one ...
They gotta start somewhere. I agree it's far and conservative but its better than the relatively small 4.0L 1UZ-FE's 250hp v8 it started with 23 years ago. At least 480+ is better than the standard 380 that's been offered for all of USF40 currently.
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A guy came in the other day to trade in his 08 S600.

150k new...

We offered him 30k. lol. I think it had around 60k miles on it.
im sure he told you to fly a kite . 30K..more like 65K
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