Go Back   Club Lexus Forums > General Forums > Car Chat
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?

Toyota to launch TMG performance sub-brand

Reply
 
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 06-20-12, 04:48 PM   #31
TF109B
Lexus Champion
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Washington
Posts: 2,065
Default

Can we talk about the article? heh, yeah they have a lot of names, but Toyoda will solve it soon. F/F-Sport is Lexus. TMG is the business group in Germany for motorsports, and was formerly TTE. TRD is Toyota, in Japan as well as US, parts and racing programs (NASCAR). G-Sports=Gazoo=GRMN (which stands for Gazoo Racing Meister Nordschleiffe). These look to be separate models that are totally (Toyotally) REDONE. My guess is TRD will be G-Sports, TMG will be separate models (Lexus possible Toyota) and F/F-Sport is Lexus.
This ad is not displayed to registered members.
Register your free account today and become a member on Club Lexus!
TF109B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-12, 04:57 PM   #32
BNR34
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (1)
 
BNR34's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: So Cal
Posts: 6,568
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TF109B View Post
Can we talk about the article? heh, yeah they have a lot of names, but Toyoda will solve it soon. F/F-Sport is Lexus. TMG is the business group in Germany for motorsports, and was formerly TTE. TRD is Toyota, in Japan as well as US, parts and racing programs (NASCAR). G-Sports=Gazoo=GRMN (which stands for Gazoo Racing Meister Nordschleiffe). These look to be separate models that are totally (Toyotally) REDONE. My guess is TRD will be G-Sports, TMG will be separate models (Lexus possible Toyota) and F/F-Sport is Lexus.
You summed it up perfectly

My feeling is TMG will develop the hardwares and will be sold as a G or F.
BNR34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-12, 05:05 PM   #33
BNR34
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (1)
 
BNR34's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: So Cal
Posts: 6,568
Default

I found another article that talks about the same thing, but with much more details!

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...620-20mqk.html

The LS is powered a 485kW twin-turbo V8 petrol engine coupled to a dual-clutch transmission. It also features re-styled bodywork – including a large rear wing – and the suspension has also been overhauled.

It has already been tested at the Nurburgring in Germany and Japan; it is likely to debut at the Essen motor show in September.



Is all fake rumor though, there is no way they are putting a large rear wing on a LS, not to mention a LS must have a torque converter, not dual clutch. And debut in 3 months? Yeah right.
BNR34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-12, 05:21 PM   #34
rominl
exclusive matchup

Trader Score: (4)
 
rominl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Lovely OC
Posts: 79,286
Default

i love the fact that reworked so many things in the LS project, rather than just bolt on. really glad to see dct
__________________
Yes, I drove it. The great feeling of boiling blood.
rominl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-12, 05:23 PM   #35
spwolf
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 16,277
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BNR34 View Post
I found another article that talks about the same thing, but with much more details!

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...620-20mqk.html

The LS is powered a 485kW twin-turbo V8 petrol engine coupled to a dual-clutch transmission. It also features re-styled bodywork – including a large rear wing – and the suspension has also been overhauled.

It has already been tested at the Nurburgring in Germany and Japan; it is likely to debut at the Essen motor show in September.



Is all fake rumor though, there is no way they are putting a large rear wing on a LS, not to mention a LS must have a torque converter, not dual clutch. And debut in 3 months? Yeah right.
they will just display the car, not sell it :-).

i think most interesting part here would be this "new" 1.6l Turbo engine... new Rav4 and Corolla are coming, perfect timing :-).

And as they say in the article, they are looking to do engineering, not production. So they would do engineering for factory performance models, like LS-F.
__________________
- 07 Lexus GS350 AWD
spwolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-12, 05:26 PM   #36
birdmane
Driver School Candidate
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: IL
Posts: 35
Default

GMBH is a German LLC, like Bosch GmBh and Heckler and Koch GmBh, correct?

Are they german made performance parts?
birdmane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-12, 05:39 PM   #37
ydooby
Lexus Champion
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: CA
Posts: 1,683
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BNR34 View Post
You summed it up perfectly

My feeling is TMG will develop the hardwares and will be sold as a G or F.
Yeah that was my feeling as well, but this article is talking about making TMG a sub-brand, which I don't think should be the case. Anyhow it's good to know something awesome from Toyota is soon coming.
ydooby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-12, 05:51 PM   #38
BNR34
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (1)
 
BNR34's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: So Cal
Posts: 6,568
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ydooby View Post
Yeah that was my feeling as well, but this article is talking about making TMG a sub-brand, which I don't think should be the case. Anyhow it's good to know something awesome from Toyota is soon coming.
Yes that is the confusing part, the article specifically said making TMG a sub-brand and it's product will carry the TMG badge

Toyota Motorsport GmBH (TMG) president Yoshiaki Kino****a confirmed that his company has begun work on high-performance road cars which will carry the TMG badge.
BNR34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-12, 05:53 PM   #39
BNR34
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (1)
 
BNR34's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: So Cal
Posts: 6,568
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by spwolf View Post
they will just display the car, not sell it :-).
That make sense.

Quote:
Originally Posted by spwolf View Post
i think most interesting part here would be this "new" 1.6l Turbo engine... new Rav4 and Corolla are coming, perfect timing :-).
I am sorry, 1.6L 4 cyls turbo do not interest me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by spwolf View Post
And as they say in the article, they are looking to do engineering, not production. So they would do engineering for factory performance models, like LS-F.
Yes they won't manufacture it, but the article specifically said making TMG a sub-brand and it's product will carry the TMG badge.
BNR34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-12, 05:57 PM   #40
BNR34
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (1)
 
BNR34's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: So Cal
Posts: 6,568
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rominl View Post
i love the fact that reworked so many things in the LS project, rather than just bolt on.
Yes, just like an AMG, reworked everything

Quote:
Originally Posted by rominl View Post
really glad to see dct
I don't see DCT happening in a LS though, too sporty for a LS. Look at AMG, only the SLS got a DCT. Yes M3 and M5 got DCT, but they are very sporty. I don't think they would put DCT in a M7.
BNR34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-12, 06:08 PM   #41
Stormwind
Lexus Test Driver
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: CA
Posts: 1,440
Default

Lol what's next? Toyota M?
Their excuse will be "but it stands for Toyota M otor sports."
Stormwind is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-12, 06:32 PM   #42
blacksc400
Car Chat Moderator
Trader Score: (4)
 
blacksc400's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Las Vegas!
Posts: 9,246
Default

Do it do it do it, we need real performance high power Lexus/Toyota cars!
__________________


C L U B L E X U S
2013 BMW 750I M-Sport 2014 BMW X1 2013 HONDA CIVIC
Had 25 lexuses for last 9 years.
blacksc400 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-12, 06:35 PM   #43
rominl
exclusive matchup

Trader Score: (4)
 
rominl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Lovely OC
Posts: 79,286
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BNR34 View Post
Yes, just like an AMG, reworked everything

I don't see DCT happening in a LS though, too sporty for a LS. Look at AMG, only the SLS got a DCT. Yes M3 and M5 got DCT, but they are very sporty. I don't think they would put DCT in a M7.
amg reworks everything? i didn't know that. bmw m they change a lot of things (well at least until recently). different engine, tranny, etc... for example the m3 is 90% different from normal 3 series in terms of components

for amg, i thought they mostly just use the same parts but better quality. the 6.2L engine was actually the first engine fully developed by amg i believe. previously they snapped on superchargers, and now they re-tune the tt v8. tranny is pretty much just the same as the ones found in regular lineup iirc. even suspension, you can pretty much found them (maybe as options) on regular ones.

i am not sure what you mean dct is too sporty. if done right, dct actually shifts very smooth (and fast) so it's perfect fit (besides weight and cost). put in a single clutch and that's a different story.

and actually if you look at the new s63, they have moved to mct trannies
__________________
Yes, I drove it. The great feeling of boiling blood.
rominl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-12, 07:16 PM   #44
BNR34
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (1)
 
BNR34's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: So Cal
Posts: 6,568
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rominl View Post
amg reworks everything? i didn't know that. bmw m they change a lot of things (well at least until recently). different engine, tranny, etc... for example the m3 is 90% different from normal 3 series in terms of components

for amg, i thought they mostly just use the same parts but better quality. the 6.2L engine was actually the first engine fully developed by amg i believe. previously they snapped on superchargers, and now they re-tune the tt v8. tranny is pretty much just the same as the ones found in regular lineup iirc. even suspension, you can pretty much found them (maybe as options) on regular ones.
From what I can tell and I really didn't look that much into it, AMG is sportier in everyways, different engine, tranny I don't know, it looks the same on the surface, bigger diffs, bigger exhaust, sport seats, steering wheel, different body kit, bigger brakes.............etc. Is just like BMW M, is sportier everything. The TT V8 in AMG is 5.5L, in the 550 is 4.7L.........so is not just a re-tune. Suspension wise, sure ABC is optional in the 550, but is it just as firm in the 550? I don't know, never driven a 550 with ABC, I just know the airmatic in the 550 is way softer. The only recent performance model car that I found that is nothing but a bigger engine is the Hyundai Genesis 5.0L R-Spec, everything else is the same as the 4.6.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rominl View Post
i am not sure what you mean dct is too sporty. if done right, dct actually shifts very smooth (and fast) so it's perfect fit (besides weight and cost). put in a single clutch and that's a different story.
I know DCT is very smooth, but the best ones is still never as smooth as a fluid torque converter, you can always feels the clutch engaging, regardless of how smooth it is. I checked it out closely on the Panamera, the PDK suppose to be one of the best DCT, I can clearly feel the clutch slipping in. Same with the Ferrari FF that I recently drove, but then is a Ferrari, maybe is tuned to be aggressive. But is just simple logic, a clutch would never be as smooth as fluid engagement. I know for my daily sedan, torque converter is my choice. I want DCT on my weekend sports car.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rominl View Post
and actually if you look at the new s63, they have moved to mct trannies
That is interesting. Is just personally I don't want a clutch in my daily commuter.
BNR34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-12, 09:53 PM   #45
natnut
Lexus Champion
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Singapore
Posts: 1,983
Default

I agree. Too many sports sub-brands.

Lexus/Toyota should try to unify these sub-brands under at most 3 sports labels : one for Lexus (F-Sport), one for Toyota and maybe one for Scion.
__________________
GS300 2nd Gen (RIP 6 August 2014 )
Wheels : Volks GTC 18x8 front/rear, Silverstone Evol 8 245/40/R18
Suspension : Daizen sway bars,Bilstein HD shocks,Carson Tuned STB,TRD Front LCB,TOM'S 6-links,TOM'S RLCB, Daizen steering rack bushings
Brakes : Racingbrake 2 piece slotted rotors(front)
Engine : Torquemaster Star series spark plugs
Cosmetics/Interior : LED wedge lights, Chrome Trunk Bar, Borla exhaust tips,Blitz cabin filter, Luxer LEDs interior lighting,RMM Grille,TTE Trunk Spoiler
natnut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-12, 09:53 PM
 
 
 
 
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Interesting.... TMG TS-650 Lexus LS UCFdude LS460, LS460L and LS600h 2 10-25-13 11:04 PM
Toyota readying TMG performance sub-brand? Hoovey2411 Car Chat 5 09-16-13 02:37 AM
Lexus LS650 Prototype Set for Essen Motor Show cmk1 Car Chat 238 09-08-13 07:41 AM
Toyota (TMG) introduces Entry-Level Yaris WRC TF109B Car Chat 6 08-14-12 10:45 AM
VIDEO: TMG IS F CCR-S @ VLN Nürburgring Nordschleife flipside909 IS F 24 11-30-11 09:01 AM


Tags
460, badge, brand, brands, club, clublexus, gs, lexus, ls, ls460, mclublexus, rear, sexy, sport, tmg, toyota, tranny, wing

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:11 PM.

Join ClubLexus
Advertising


Copyright © 2000-2008 Internet Brands, Inc. All Rights Reserved
Privacy Policy | Disclaimer | Terms of Use | JOBS


Get all contact info