Go Back   Club Lexus Forums > General Forums > Car Chat
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?

5th-gen LS spied on the road

Reply
 
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 05-24-12, 11:38 AM   #31
flipside909
Lexus Connoisseur
Trader Score: (0)
 
flipside909's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: L(F)A, California
Posts: 19,132
KaizenFactor kaizenfactor kaizenfactor
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BNR34 View Post
Yeah that's how I look at it, I think I look at the general shape and power train.

Like the 2GS -> 3GS, everything is completely different. But 3GS -> 4GS, the car got the same general shape, carry over drivetrain........etc. To me the 4GS just got new bumpers, interior and suspension, that is a major facelift to me.

Same as E9X -> F3X, same general shape, carry over drivetrain..........
The 3rd Gen GS inherited the carry over 3UZ-FE and trans from the Gen 2.5 mid cycle GS update. I feel that was the biggest mistake that Lexus made with the 3rd gen GS. The V8 variant of 3rd Gen GS could have been a hit if the 1UR-FSE 4.6 was chosen early on.
This ad is not displayed to registered members.
Register your free account today and become a member on Club Lexus!
__________________
AMAZING IN MOTION

Toyota, Lexus, Scion Connoisseur
flipside909 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-12, 12:20 PM   #32
BNR34
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (1)
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: So Cal
Posts: 6,341
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by flipside909 View Post
The 3rd Gen GS inherited the carry over 3UZ-FE and trans from the Gen 2.5 mid cycle GS update.
While the 3UZ-FE was carry over, the Gen 2.5 GS430 had a 5AT where the 3GS430 got a 6AT.

Quote:
Originally Posted by flipside909 View Post
I feel that was the biggest mistake that Lexus made with the 3rd gen GS. The V8 variant of 3rd Gen GS could have been a hit if the 1UR-FSE 4.6 was chosen early on.
For sure. I can understand that maybe the 1UR-FSE wasn't ready when the 3GS came out in 06', 1UR-FSE was in the LS in 07', so they just carry over the 3UZ-FE for one year. The biggest mistake is definitely for holding back the GS460 with just the 340 hp 1UR-FE, somehow for some reasons that we would never know, Lexus don't want the GS to have the 1UR-FSE.

Last edited by BNR34; 05-24-12 at 12:26 PM..
BNR34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-12, 12:25 PM   #33
BNR34
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (1)
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: So Cal
Posts: 6,341
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bitkahuna View Post
uh, while engines / transmissions are similar/same, the 4GS is ENTIRELY different otherwise from the 3GS, so i can't see how you can see it as a major facelift, but of course you're entitled to that view!
It is much more evolutionary then revolutionary to me.

But I could be wrong, since I am not into the 4GS at all, so I haven't look that indepth into that car. I am not even interested in driving one.
BNR34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-12, 12:29 PM   #34
BNR34
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (1)
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: So Cal
Posts: 6,341
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by flipside909 View Post
Don't forget no foglights on the GS F Sport.
I don't care about that since is not a big deal, anyone who truely want fogs can just add the JDM fogs themselve, cheap and easy fix.

Is not so easy and cheap to swap in a 5.0L V8 with 8AT
BNR34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-12, 01:17 PM   #35
blacksc400
Car Chat Moderator
Trader Score: (4)
 
blacksc400's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Las Vegas!
Posts: 9,122
Default

Hopefully the new LS will have the new gen powertrain and it will pass onto lower models. It will need to be a 5 sec to 60 to be acceptable! If they carryover the engine and trans just like the ES and GS, it will be a huge disapointment, not likely though.
__________________


C L U B L E X U S
2013 BMW 750I M-Sport 2014 BMW X1 2013 HONDA CIVIC
Had 25 lexuses for last 9 years.
blacksc400 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-12, 01:32 PM   #36
BNR34
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (1)
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: So Cal
Posts: 6,341
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blacksc400 View Post
Hopefully the new LS will have the new gen powertrain and it will pass onto lower models. It will need to be a 5 sec to 60 to be acceptable! If they carryover the engine and trans just like the ES and GS, it will be a huge disapointment, not likely though.
Is hard to say, with the ES and GS being carry over, I won't be surprise if they carry over the LS as well. Especially now that the rumor on the street according to Henry is it will be a major facelift instead of a redesign.

But then it is the flagship, if they have a new powertrain, it would be introduce on the flagship.

Really all it need is the IS-F's 5.0L in a LS500 to match the S550 and 750Li. The hardwares already exist, just have to stop holding back like Honda and do it.
BNR34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-12, 01:45 PM   #37
rominl
exclusive matchup

Trader Score: (4)
 
rominl's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Lovely OC
Posts: 78,777
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BNR34 View Post
While the 3UZ-FE was carry over, the Gen 2.5 GS430 had a 5AT where the 3GS430 got a 6AT.



For sure. I can understand that maybe the 1UR-FSE wasn't ready when the 3GS came out in 06', 1UR-FSE was in the LS in 07', so they just carry over the 3UZ-FE for one year. The biggest mistake is definitely for holding back the GS460 with just the 340 hp 1UR-FE, somehow for some reasons that we would never know, Lexus don't want the GS to have the 1UR-FSE.
the 350 was very ready, japan got gs350 right from the start

for the ls, we will see what it's like. but from 3gs to 4gs, i think it's silly to think it's just a face lift, when chassis, suspensions, interior, and pretty much everything changed except the tranny and engine
__________________
Yes, I drove it. The great feeling of boiling blood.
rominl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-12, 02:37 PM   #38
Xwakeboard
Pole Position
Trader Score: (1)
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: CA
Posts: 232
Send a message via AIM to Xwakeboard
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BNR34 View Post
Really, 6 going on 7 years now and still no redesign huh......then I guess the up coming new S-Class also looks like will be just a major facelift.

I feel though this is happening across most brands, the 4GS is more like a major facelift, same as the BMW F30........etc.
I don't know what would give you the impression that it will not be a completely new design. With the new spindle grill, the new navigation/infotainment interface, and a six year product life cycle, all the signs are pointing towards a completely new model, however, in the life cycle of the products, shouldn't the IS be receiving its complete makeover first?

Some member claimed his dealer (isn't it always a reliable dealer who knows?) that claimed a date of October of 2013, however, this car looks as though it could be more than ready to place on sale in October of this year. Wouldn't that detract from the new ES that is suppose to launch in August?
__________________
07 Mercury Metallic GS350 35% tint, K&N Typhoon, Vais SLI, & Passport 9500i(sold)

07 Mercury Metallic LS460 L Touring (sold)

12' Nebula Gray Pearl IS F 3M clear bra, 35% tint.
Xwakeboard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-12, 02:39 PM   #39
Xwakeboard
Pole Position
Trader Score: (1)
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: CA
Posts: 232
Send a message via AIM to Xwakeboard
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rominl View Post
the 350 was very ready, japan got gs350 right from the start

for the ls, we will see what it's like. but from 3gs to 4gs, i think it's silly to think it's just a face lift, when chassis, suspensions, interior, and pretty much everything changed except the tranny and engine
Agreed. There is no way to look at the "new GS" as anything other than the 5th generation. Sure, the engine was carried over, however, it is an entirely new car.
__________________
07 Mercury Metallic GS350 35% tint, K&N Typhoon, Vais SLI, & Passport 9500i(sold)

07 Mercury Metallic LS460 L Touring (sold)

12' Nebula Gray Pearl IS F 3M clear bra, 35% tint.
Xwakeboard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-12, 03:55 PM   #40
BNR34
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (1)
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: So Cal
Posts: 6,341
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rominl View Post
the 350 was very ready, japan got gs350 right from the start
We were talking about the 4.6L V8 (1UR-FSE)

Quote:
Originally Posted by rominl View Post
for the ls, we will see what it's like. but from 3gs to 4gs, i think it's silly to think it's just a face lift, when chassis, suspensions, interior, and pretty much everything changed except the tranny and engine
I didn't know the chassis is new. If the chassis is new, then is definitely a redesign. Again I guess is because the 4GS don't excite or attract me, I am not looking too into the car, it just got the same shape to me............to me, if it look the same, same drivetrain, is the same car. But I could be totally wrong. I'll shut up now, I shouldn't talk about stuff I don't know about.
BNR34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-12, 04:01 PM   #41
BNR34
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (1)
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: So Cal
Posts: 6,341
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xwakeboard View Post
I don't know what would give you the impression that it will not be a completely new design. With the new spindle grill, the new navigation/infotainment interface, and a six year product life cycle, all the signs are pointing towards a completely new model, however, in the life cycle of the products, shouldn't the IS be receiving its complete makeover first?
I agreed with you 100%, I always thought the LS is ready for a complete redesign.

I got the major facelift impression from rominl's comment below:

Quote:
Originally Posted by rominl View Post
you guys know that the LS is getting another major facelift, not a redesign right? at least that's what i have been told by multiple sources
BNR34 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-12, 04:09 PM   #42
cmk1
Pole Position
Trader Score: (0)
 
cmk1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Edgbaston, West Midlands, UK; TX
Posts: 367
Default

Here's more:
Click the image to open in full size.
Click the image to open in full size.
Click the image to open in full size.
Click the image to open in full size.
cmk1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-12, 08:24 PM   #43
natnut
Lexus Champion
Trader Score: (0)
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Singapore
Posts: 1,903
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BNR34 View Post
It is much more evolutionary then revolutionary to me.

But I could be wrong, since I am not into the 4GS at all, so I haven't look that indepth into that car. I am not even interested in driving one.
You make all these claims about the 4GS being evolutionary, being just a face-lift then say that you haven't done much research into the 4GS and haven't even test-driven it?

ANY person who's driven both the 3GS and the 4GS can tell you they're not even remotely similar in ride and handling. The 4GS is effectively the best driving mainstream sports sedan in the market right now (not counting M3/M5/RS4/RS6/ISF).

With the 4GS, Lexus has undergone a quiet revolution in suspension and handling and you've missed it completely even as it's happening right under your nose.

Putting a new powerplant in the engine compartment is easy. Shaking up the market with a chassis that redefines handling/suspension is the hard part. Guess which option Lexus chose?

Just my opinion.......
__________________
GS300 2nd Gen
Wheels : Volks GTC 18x8 front/rear, Silverstone Evol 8 245/40/R18
Suspension : Daizen sway bars,Bilstein HD shocks,Carson Tuned STB,TRD Front LCB,TOM'S 6-links,TOM'S RLCB, Daizen steering rack bushings
Brakes : Racingbrake 2 piece slotted rotors(front)
Engine : Torquemaster Star series spark plugs
Cosmetics/Interior : PIAA Super Tera H-458 wedge lights, Chrome Trunk Bar, Borla exhaust tips,Blitz cabin filter, Luxer LEDs interior lighting,RMM Grille,TTE Trunk Spoiler

Last edited by natnut; 05-24-12 at 08:53 PM..
natnut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-12, 10:05 PM   #44
flipside909
Lexus Connoisseur
Trader Score: (0)
 
flipside909's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: L(F)A, California
Posts: 19,132
KaizenFactor kaizenfactor kaizenfactor
Default

I will give a lot of credit to Lexus for making the driving dynamic of the 4th Gen GS wayyyyyy better than 3rd Gen, but I agree it still needs a bump in HP. Even a 10-15 hp bump would make a significant difference. 4th Gen GS has a lot of potential, but Lexus played it safe. I can see why they're doing it from a long term lifecycle standpoint, but I don't think that's good enough to stay ahead of the competition. It should be a 100% effort, not 75%.

This next LS has some potential to make noise even if it's not a a full 100% changeover. The right amount of HP can make a huge difference. As far as driving and handling dymamic, there is no doubt in my mind it will be much better. Look at 2nd Gen IS starting 2011 MY and on (specifically F Sport and IS F)...the changes are minute on paper but the changes are pretty significant in person.
__________________
AMAZING IN MOTION

Toyota, Lexus, Scion Connoisseur
flipside909 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-12, 10:50 PM   #45
I8ABMR
Lexus Fanatic
Trader Score: (0)
 
I8ABMR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Somewhere far far away
Posts: 18,747
Default

I work a couple of miles from the AZ summer test track. I recently caught the next gen ES on the road as well as the new Ford Fusion ( ES was a bit more exciting since there were no good pics on the net like the Fusion). I have my camera in the car. I will be ready even if I have to do a little chasing
__________________

2010 LEXUS ISF
FEATURES:
2007 GS350

Readers Rides of the month Modified Magazine December 2009
Readers Rides Super Street Magazine June 2010

2003 INFINITI G35 Rearders Rides Super Street Magazine 7/05
2007 Lexus GS350 / 2007 Lexus LS460 / 2010 Lexus ISF
I8ABMR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-12, 10:50 PM
 
 
 
 
Reply

Tags
2013, 2014, 460, 5th, club, gen, generation, lexus, ls, ls600h, lsf, redesign, sc, spied, xf50

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:34 PM.

Join ClubLexus
Advertising


Copyright © 2000-2008 Internet Brands, Inc. All Rights Reserved
Privacy Policy | Disclaimer | Terms of Use | JOBS


Get all contact info

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2