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Old 05-24-12, 12:01 AM   #16
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you guys know that the LS is getting another major facelift, not a redesign right? at least that's what i have been told by multiple sources
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Old 05-24-12, 12:56 AM   #17
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you guys know that the LS is getting another major facelift, not a redesign right? at least that's what i have been told by multiple sources
yes... and this doesnt look like LS with facelift.
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Old 05-24-12, 01:01 AM   #18
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Looks like the new ES still under cover. Rims are also current gen ES. Wheels looks too small to be testing on an LS. hmmmmm
yep, looks like ES or something like that.
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Old 05-24-12, 10:38 AM   #19
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Old 05-24-12, 10:49 AM   #20
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you guys know that the LS is getting another major facelift, not a redesign right? at least that's what i have been told by multiple sources
Really, 6 going on 7 years now and still no redesign huh......then I guess the up coming new S-Class also looks like will be just a major facelift.

I feel though this is happening across most brands, the 4GS is more like a major facelift, same as the BMW F30........etc.
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I'm more curious about the power trains. I'm sure an LS350 will eventually bow, and a carry over 460 seems expected. It would be nice if the Sport actually utilized the 5.0 V8 rather than have just paddles, IS-F tranny and brembo brakes
Same here, no new power trains from Lexus for a very long time now, the last few new generations of cars all had carry over engine and tranny...........4GS, 6ES, Lexus desparately need to put their 5.0L V8 into everything. Especially now that even Hyundai have a 5.0L V8 in their Genesis and Equus, so Lexus is behind even a lesser brand
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^Yes, because Lexus isn't dropping a 5.0L V8 into the entire lineup, they are "behind a lesser brand"

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Really, 6 going on 7 years now and still no redesign huh......then I guess the up coming new S-Class also looks like will be just a major facelift.

I feel though this is happening across most brands, the 4GS is more like a major facelift, same as the BMW F30........etc.
if that's how you separate between redesign (new generation) vs facelift
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if that's how you separate between redesign (new generation) vs facelift
Yeah that's how I look at it, I think I look at the general shape and power train.

Like the 2GS -> 3GS, everything is completely different. But 3GS -> 4GS, the car got the same general shape, carry over drivetrain........etc. To me the 4GS just got new bumpers, interior and suspension, that is a major facelift to me.

Same as E9X -> F3X, same general shape, carry over drivetrain..........
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^Yes, because Lexus isn't dropping a 5.0L V8 into the entire lineup, they are "behind a lesser brand"

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Power is not everything. But it is definitely a huge factor for a car.

What is the biggest and probably the only complain on the 4GS? No upgrade in powertrains.

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Power is not everything. But it is definitely a huge factor for a car.

What is the biggest and probably the only complain on the 4GS? No upgrade in powertrains.
And no upgrade in drivetrains either. Same old 6AT.
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Like the 2GS -> 3GS, everything is completely different. But 3GS -> 4GS, the car got the same general shape, carry over drivetrain........etc. To me the 4GS just got new bumpers, interior and suspension, that is a major facelift to me.
uh, while engines / transmissions are similar/same, the 4GS is ENTIRELY different otherwise from the 3GS, so i can't see how you can see it as a major facelift, but of course you're entitled to that view!

back to the additional pics... that looks bigger than an ES to me - and if it's recent, why would it have camo?
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Power is not everything. But it is definitely a huge factor for a car.

What is the biggest and probably the only complain on the 4GS? No upgrade in powertrains.
Don't forget no foglights on the GS F Sport.
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And no upgrade in drivetrains either. Same old 6AT.
That's true, but it does shift faster than the previous and it throttle blips on manual downshifts. It's a step up in refinement and feel.
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And no upgrade in drivetrains either. Same old 6AT.
Yes, in my mind when I say powertrains, that include the tranny and even the diffs.

The same old 6AT is certainly another let down, now when the $12k Hyundai Accent come with a 6AT and a $47k Genesis come with a 8AT.
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