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Old 08-27-12, 02:00 PM   #91
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Seems more for style than utility....will sell like hotcakes, I just am unsure of the cannibalization to the RX.
 
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With the introduction of the new Buick Encore, this thread may have more relevance now. A small, sub-RX Lexus SUV, if done properly, would be good competition for the Encore.
It also gives Lexus the opportunity, IMO, to avoid some of the mistakes that were done with the Encore. First, of course, is the Encore's too-small (IMO) 1.4L turbo. 138 HP and 148 ft-lbs. of torque is just not enough for a 3200-lb. vehicle with added weight in pasengers and cargo. Even the Verano uses a 180 HP four. Second, the Encore is too short for its height......it looks like it went halfway through a crusher. Third, the Encore lacks power-adjustment for seatback-rake and, unlike the sister Verano, uses a manual hand-brake lever instead of a electronic-brake. The Encore, like all current Buicks, does have a rich interior and Quiet-Tuning (adding Active Noise-Control for the engine), but its first-year production goofs may give Lexus the opportunity it needs to one-up it.

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With the introduction of the new Buick Encore, this thread may have more relevance now. A small, sub-RX Lexus SUV, if done properly, would be good competition for the Encore.
It also gives Lexus the opportunity, IMO, to avoid some of the mistakes that were done with the Encore. First, of course, is the Encore's too-small (IMO) 1.4L turbo. 138 HP and 148 ft-lbs. of torque is just not enough for a 3200-lb. vehicle with added weight in pasengers and cargo. Even the Verano uses a 180 HP four. Second, the Encore is too short for its height......it looks like it went halfway through a crusher. Third, the Encore lacks power-adjustment for seatback-rake and, unlike the sister Verano, uses a manual hand-brake lever instead of a electronic-brake. The Encore, like all current Buicks, does have a rich interior and Quiet-Tuning (adding Active Noise-Control for the engine), but its first-year production goofs may give Lexus the opportunity it needs to one-up it.

Encore would be WAY too small at 168 inches long. And Lexus doesn't care to compete with a Buick Encore.

I expect it would be closer to RAV at 180 inches long, but much more dynamic in style than either the RAV or RX. This would allow RX to grow slightly with the next gen and potentially offer at 3rd row.
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the NX will be bigger than the Encore
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Encore would be WAY too small at 168 inches long.
Well, that was just my point. Lexus will have a chance not to repeat that too-short error.

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And Lexus doesn't care to compete with a Buick Encore.
If there's money to be made by doing so, they will indeed care. Money talks (sometimes, of course, too much).
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The Encore is just too much of a tiny "cute-ute". The NX will be aimed at the X1, Q3 - Rav4 in size
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The Encore is just too much of a tiny "cute-ute". The NX will be aimed at the X1, Q3 - Rav4 in size
Some RAV-4's now, of course, are long enough for third-row seats. That's something that the RX, to my memory, has never had.....though I could be wrong on that.
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The Encore is not a luxury vehicle, its way to small and way to cheap with a gutless engine for a SUV. Heck the CT hybrid makes 138hp.

Internally they are aiming for the RR Evoque and other stylish SUVs that elevate a brand's position, even if its an entry level model.
 
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Some RAV-4's now, of course, are long enough for third-row seats. That's something that the RX, to my memory, has never had.....though I could be wrong on that.
I could be wrong, but I don't think the current Rav4 offers a 3rd row anymore. The NX is supposedly based on it.

The RX has never offered a 3rd row despite being derived from the 7 passenger Highlander.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think the current Rav4 offers a 3rd row anymore.
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The last one did (see above), but you're right. I don't see it as an option on the new one.....probably because the V6 option was also deleted. Six or seven people might be just too much for the four.

BTW, slightly off-topic, but the new RAV-4 offers factory body-side mouldings as an option (more than $200). While I feel that (and you know this from my reviews) they should be standard, it proves what I said earlier.....that eliminating them was NOT a styling-issue, as some have claimed, but simple cost-cutting.
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Seems more for style than utility....will sell like hotcakes, I just am unsure of the cannibalization to the RX.
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The last one did (see above), but you're right. I don't see it as an option on the new one.....probably because the V6 option was also deleted. Six or seven people might be just too much for the four.
It was dropped because they re-aligned the RAV4 with the peer group. Focusing on smaller size, lower pricing and better fuel economy.

3rd row in the RAV was worthless, and if you want a 3rd row, Toyota wants you to step up to the Highlander.
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I know Lexus is just trying to keep up with the massive array of mix matched offerings and sizes of cars from the other premium makes, but damn.......To me the RX is small enough as it is! How small do you want your car/suv to be?! Sheesh, wouldn't having such a small SUV be a nuisance instead of utilitarian ? I've been in compact cars before ie miatas and mr2s, but those cars are purpose built for track use or as Sunday cars to zip around in. A smaller SUV wouldn't even be a Sport Utility Vehicle anymore, SNRAL Sport No Room At All Vehicle. LoL
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