adamls2

Nice! I wonder which one will have the best tuning capabilities though??

BNR34

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I guess so, powerful usually means HP though, they should have said "torquiest".

Where is the Cayenne Turbo S to trump this ugly thing? The current Panamera Turbo S got 550 hp / 590 lb-ft.

bad co

HP is a man made concept, torque is twisting force aka power!! Buses are powerful because of the 700tq not 180hp

Hoovey689

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In the works I imagine. note the thread on 100,000 2nd gen cayenne sales already

BNR34

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That is hard to say until a direct comparison is done. BMW usually out handle Benz, but history have shown exception before, I remember an old magazine article ranked the W210 E55 that got better handling then the E39 M5. It was because the E55 was 500 lbs lighter then the E39 M5.

Hoovey689

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true BMWs typically handle better while MBZ have typically been more powerful take the M3 vs C63 AMG example. Throw Audi in the mix, and they usually split the difference of power and handling between BMW and MBZs. Hopefully another RS4 is in the works

BNR34

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Every single tiny thing in this world is a man made concept bro

BNR34

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I am sure is in the works, it will be out when Porsche think the time is right.

BNR34

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I am sure there will be more RS4, the big question is will they bring it to the U.S.

bad co

So mass is man made gravity man made? Torque is a force. Horsepower sells cars rpm x torque / 5252= hp

bitkahuna

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not necessarily. mercedes electronic suspensions are pretty incredible too.

vraa

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Why dont you like keyless go
MB and Lexus started out with slim CC sized keys
Now it;s just integrated into regular fob
Makes it much nicer just another feature you get used to, like xenons or navi
Anyways Im glad I didnt get that ML

Blackraven

This is interesting

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https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...m-mb-yeah.html

I wonder what kind of arrangement or procedure is necessary if you want your ML63 AMG to be equipped with the start stop button. From the last pic, it can have the START/STOP BUTTON so it is possible.

Personally, for me, it would be neat if it's a no-cost option but if the option entails added cost, then I guess that's still fine with me

Hoovey689

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wow look at that interior. the materials and craftsmanship are beautiful

rdgdawg

True... BUT... I was lucky enough to drive an X5M at Road America... AND the new Cayenne Turbo... NO WAY it (ML) will keep up... and I'd take the X over the Pepper, handling for that weight defies logic

As for HP/torque discussions, agree torque is king... but this is AMERICA baby... we don't understand torque, just RAW HORSEPOWER

j/k.... torque rules