Remote Touch Navigation is terrible and backwards technology IMO
08-14-12, 09:33 AM
#31
Regarding the touch screen vs. remote, with having the touch screen nav right now, I like the joystick better. The joystick is within closer reach, there's less glare, no fingerprint stains, the screen is up higher and closer to driving view, and like others have mentioned, it allows for flexibility of center console design.
Maybe the next step is a touch screen panel where the joystick area is, to control the nav screen.
Last edited by Individual; 08-14-12 at 09:36 AM.
08-14-12, 10:38 AM
#32
GX and LX are still touch screen. you can't have both with the way lexus cars are now. the idea with using remote touch is to have the screen up higher closer to the top of dash and more inset to avoid glare. at that position there is no way you can touch the screen safely for operation. if you use touch screen, then it's usually lower so you have to look farther away from the road
08-14-12, 01:01 PM
#33
When we got our 2010 RX, my wife and I both really disliked the remote, but I completely understand why they have to have it. As has been mentioned, the positioning of the screen makes a touch screen unrealistic, and probably unsafe. When I got an IS (which has a touch screen), I realized that it isn't the controller I dislike as much as the menu structure of the system. It forces you to use the remote for the most basic task, like moving between screens. Sometimes even within the same screen. Using the audio is the thing my wife likes least about the car. I have learned to use the steering wheel controls, but she either can't, or refuses. She tends to focus on driving, which is OK with me. 
As much as I love the RX, there is no doubt in my mind my wife will want something else when the time comes to change cars, and the biggest reason will be how the radio works.
Well. Maybe the seats, too ....
As much as I love the RX, there is no doubt in my mind my wife will want something else when the time comes to change cars, and the biggest reason will be how the radio works.
Well. Maybe the seats, too ....
08-14-12, 01:11 PM
#34
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I agree that Lexus resolution/graphics are really behind. The 3D/birds eye view is superior and the new version I think in BMW scales the buildings. It looks amazing.
Remote Touch really is something you have to use on a regular basis to "get", its not user friendly like a touch-screen clearly. As stated interior design has changed. This is really our fault, we wanted bigger screens, well they gave them to us and now we have to use a controller
And again these new cars have so much more tech and features that the remote touch ties them all in instead of 1,000 buttons and ***** all over the place.
I'm still 50/50 on it.
Remote Touch really is something you have to use on a regular basis to "get", its not user friendly like a touch-screen clearly. As stated interior design has changed. This is really our fault, we wanted bigger screens, well they gave them to us and now we have to use a controller
And again these new cars have so much more tech and features that the remote touch ties them all in instead of 1,000 buttons and ***** all over the place.
I'm still 50/50 on it.
08-14-12, 02:31 PM
#35
Lexus certainly could make a better resolution/graphic if they wanted. The LFA is living proof of that. Anyone who's been in a LFA recently can attest to it. The digital gauge cluster looks positively real and the navigation to the right of it looks completely out of place for a car of this caliber
08-14-12, 11:12 PM
#36
i don't think it's ever a question of ability. lexus trashed other brands on resolution and graphics years ago. but it's more of a question on execution. given how much other brands have caught up and what lexus could have done, i think they have put focus somewhere else
08-15-12, 04:17 AM
#37
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look at the crisp graphics of the Google Android Nexus 7 Tablet ($199) Navigation -
i'm wondering if Lexus should integrate a modified version of this into their vehicles?
i love factory-installed OEM but here's an interesting clean aftermarket mount of this same device -
i'm wondering if Lexus should integrate a modified version of this into their vehicles?
i love factory-installed OEM but here's an interesting clean aftermarket mount of this same device -
Last edited by Gekko; 08-15-12 at 04:21 AM.
08-15-12, 12:03 PM
#40
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i've said for a while it's a bad idea putting these screens in cars because tech moves so fast they're obsolete as soon as the car hits the streets. better to adapt to enabling portable tech. my next car will not have factory nav if i can avoid it, unless it's 'unbelievable' 
08-16-12, 10:05 AM
#41
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I agree that Lexus resolution/graphics are really behind. The 3D/birds eye view is superior and the new version I think in BMW scales the buildings. It looks amazing.
Remote Touch really is something you have to use on a regular basis to "get", its not user friendly like a touch-screen clearly. As stated interior design has changed. This is really our fault, we wanted bigger screens, well they gave them to us and now we have to use a controller
And again these new cars have so much more tech and features that the remote touch ties them all in instead of 1,000 buttons and ***** all over the place.
I'm still 50/50 on it.
Remote Touch really is something you have to use on a regular basis to "get", its not user friendly like a touch-screen clearly. As stated interior design has changed. This is really our fault, we wanted bigger screens, well they gave them to us and now we have to use a controller
And again these new cars have so much more tech and features that the remote touch ties them all in instead of 1,000 buttons and ***** all over the place.
I'm still 50/50 on it.
Anyways:
Yeah, Remote Touch is something that is definitely new to Lexus. I take it that there are good points brought by this new system..........but of course, it has a steeper learning curve for first-timers (or those only using the car for test drives). You can't get used to it imho if you're only doing it for a few minutes.
Also, during my test drive encounter with the GS350 F-sport I find that operating the mouse while driving (to assign radio presets) was somewhat of a challenge though. Also, the controller felt WAY TOO SENSITIVE (the cursor moved too much to the right when I only wanted it to move one step at a time). Granted, you can adjust this in the settings menu.............but it appears that due to the lack of physical preset buttons (1-6), it appears that assigning a radio station while driving may be even harder to do.
Regardless though, even with this downside, it still won't stop me from dreaming to buy a 4th gen Lexus GS though. The positives still outweigh whatever negatives the new car has so yeah, the status quo hasn't changed.
Still, I think this Remote Touch for Lexus is only on its 2nd generation. Back then, many people hated early versions of the BMW I-drive..........so BMW made improvements over the years to improve its usability. Nowadays, newer generations of i-Drive are more user-friendly than before.
I have faith though that if Lexus pursues this Remote Touch approach, then the only logical course is to improve on their system through time. Hopefully future generations of the system will be better than what we have now.................I hope
08-16-12, 10:12 AM
#42
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The 4GS for Europe has 3D maps I believe......but yeah it's for European models only.
Anyways:
Yeah, Remote Touch is something that is definitely new to Lexus. I take it that there are good points brought by this new system..........but of course, it has a steeper learning curve for first-timers (or those only using the car for test drives). You can't get used to it imho if you're only doing it for a few minutes.
Also, during my test drive encounter with the GS350 F-sport I find that operating the mouse while driving (to assign radio presets) was somewhat of a challenge though. Also, the controller felt WAY TOO SENSITIVE (the cursor moved too much to the right when I only wanted it to move one step at a time). Granted, you can adjust this in the settings menu.............but it appears that due to the lack of physical preset buttons (1-6), it appears that assigning a radio station while driving may be even harder to do.
Regardless though, even with this downside, it still won't stop me from dreaming to buy a 4th gen Lexus GS though. The positives still outweigh whatever negatives the new car has so yeah, the status quo hasn't changed.
Still, I think this Remote Touch for Lexus is only on its 2nd generation. Back then, many people hated early versions of the BMW I-drive..........so BMW made improvements over the years to improve its usability. Nowadays, newer generations of i-Drive are more user-friendly than before.
I have faith though that if Lexus pursues this Remote Touch approach, then the only logical course is to improve on their system through time. Hopefully future generations of the system will be better than what we have now.................I hope
Anyways:
Yeah, Remote Touch is something that is definitely new to Lexus. I take it that there are good points brought by this new system..........but of course, it has a steeper learning curve for first-timers (or those only using the car for test drives). You can't get used to it imho if you're only doing it for a few minutes.
Also, during my test drive encounter with the GS350 F-sport I find that operating the mouse while driving (to assign radio presets) was somewhat of a challenge though. Also, the controller felt WAY TOO SENSITIVE (the cursor moved too much to the right when I only wanted it to move one step at a time). Granted, you can adjust this in the settings menu.............but it appears that due to the lack of physical preset buttons (1-6), it appears that assigning a radio station while driving may be even harder to do.
Regardless though, even with this downside, it still won't stop me from dreaming to buy a 4th gen Lexus GS though. The positives still outweigh whatever negatives the new car has so yeah, the status quo hasn't changed.
Still, I think this Remote Touch for Lexus is only on its 2nd generation. Back then, many people hated early versions of the BMW I-drive..........so BMW made improvements over the years to improve its usability. Nowadays, newer generations of i-Drive are more user-friendly than before.
I have faith though that if Lexus pursues this Remote Touch approach, then the only logical course is to improve on their system through time. Hopefully future generations of the system will be better than what we have now.................I hope
nice post
08-16-12, 10:54 AM
#43
The 4GS for Europe has 3D maps I believe......but yeah it's for European models only.
Anyways:
Yeah, Remote Touch is something that is definitely new to Lexus. I take it that there are good points brought by this new system..........but of course, it has a steeper learning curve for first-timers (or those only using the car for test drives). You can't get used to it imho if you're only doing it for a few minutes.
Also, during my test drive encounter with the GS350 F-sport I find that operating the mouse while driving (to assign radio presets) was somewhat of a challenge though. Also, the controller felt WAY TOO SENSITIVE (the cursor moved too much to the right when I only wanted it to move one step at a time). Granted, you can adjust this in the settings menu.............but it appears that due to the lack of physical preset buttons (1-6), it appears that assigning a radio station while driving may be even harder to do.
Regardless though, even with this downside, it still won't stop me from dreaming to buy a 4th gen Lexus GS though. The positives still outweigh whatever negatives the new car has so yeah, the status quo hasn't changed.
Still, I think this Remote Touch for Lexus is only on its 2nd generation. Back then, many people hated early versions of the BMW I-drive..........so BMW made improvements over the years to improve its usability. Nowadays, newer generations of i-Drive are more user-friendly than before.
I have faith though that if Lexus pursues this Remote Touch approach, then the only logical course is to improve on their system through time. Hopefully future generations of the system will be better than what we have now.................I hope
Anyways:
Yeah, Remote Touch is something that is definitely new to Lexus. I take it that there are good points brought by this new system..........but of course, it has a steeper learning curve for first-timers (or those only using the car for test drives). You can't get used to it imho if you're only doing it for a few minutes.
Also, during my test drive encounter with the GS350 F-sport I find that operating the mouse while driving (to assign radio presets) was somewhat of a challenge though. Also, the controller felt WAY TOO SENSITIVE (the cursor moved too much to the right when I only wanted it to move one step at a time). Granted, you can adjust this in the settings menu.............but it appears that due to the lack of physical preset buttons (1-6), it appears that assigning a radio station while driving may be even harder to do.
Regardless though, even with this downside, it still won't stop me from dreaming to buy a 4th gen Lexus GS though. The positives still outweigh whatever negatives the new car has so yeah, the status quo hasn't changed.
Still, I think this Remote Touch for Lexus is only on its 2nd generation. Back then, many people hated early versions of the BMW I-drive..........so BMW made improvements over the years to improve its usability. Nowadays, newer generations of i-Drive are more user-friendly than before.
I have faith though that if Lexus pursues this Remote Touch approach, then the only logical course is to improve on their system through time. Hopefully future generations of the system will be better than what we have now.................I hope
08-16-12, 12:51 PM
#45
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I've got an Android head unit in my E46, and it is indeed awesome. Doggcatcher, Pandora, Amazon MP3 and Google Nav, right in the dash? What's not to love?