LexBob2

One of the area Hyundai dealers is running an ad titled "Premium Hyundai's".

It's a well done full page, full color ad showing Equus, Genesis and Veracruz (is this is going to be considered a Genesis?) and a bunch of their features.

I wonder if this is a plan Hyundai wants their dealers to adopt or just one dealer getting creative?

Justin2JZ

This was just a mule. (Not the final product)

RltyCheck

1) IS-F owners have absolutely nothing to worry about. Using your absolutely meaningless benchmark of 80-something (let's use 130mph, although 130 on the street is just plain dangerous no matter what you're driving). Using C&D test data:
IS-F
0-80: 7.0
0-130: 17.6
Calculated 80-130: 10.6

Genesis 4.6
0-80: 9.8
0-130: 25.3
Calculated 80-130: 15.5

I don't see the 5.0 knocking nearly 5 seconds off the 4.6's time.

And the Genesis 4.6 is only .9 seconds quicker from 80 to 130 than an SHO - hardly "wiping the floor", especially since the SHO is AWD. Why does everyone insist on comparing the SHO to every car on the planet except those that are comparable in performance, features, and size? When the Genesis is available with AWD, it will be very comparable to the SHO. For now, it isn't since its missing a huge feature that is standard on the SHO.

I agree that 0-60 is a fairly meaningless measure of real world performance. I would submit that C&D's 5-60 test is far more indicative of a car's real world engine performance than 0-60 or 80-130 (seriously, where did that come from?). In every day driving, low-to-mid power shines. Mid-top has no place on the street and anyone who buys a Genesis as a track car is delusional.

Genesis 4.6: 6.3
SHO: 5.7
IS-F: 4.8
Genesis 5.0: TBD

I really like the Genesis, but it's an apples-to-oranges comparison to both the IS-F (a whole different performance league) and SHO (AWD).

spwolf

you dont get it - people want to like it because it is cheap... so if review says something bad, it is the reviewers fault, not cars :-)

IS350jet

Don't know where you got your numbers from.. oh, wait, that's right, C&D. That's interesting because my copy of C&D says the Genesis 4.6 will cover 0-60 in 5.6 sec, while Motor trend got a 5.5 sec, as did Road and track. Yes, the new 5.0 will smoke the SHO without even breaking a sweat. No, A Genesis will never compete against an ISF, nor was it ever meant to. Of course the ISF will be faster 80-130 but I'm betting it will do better than most people think. Basically, if the 5.0 gets the jump, the ISF will have to fight for that reel. Hyundai claims 0-60 in 5.1, however, so far most mags are predicting a real world time of 4.8 and that *is* ISF territory. Obviously, the ISF is a superior sports sedan but we're talking about acceleration only. There’s no question, the Genesis 5.0 can be considered a "badass" sedan.

spwolf

Insideline got also for 4.6l:
0-60 mph (sec.) 5.9
0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 5.7
0-75 mph (sec.) 8.5
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 14.1 @ 101.1

while Taurus SOHO:
0-60 mph (sec.) 5.8
0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 5.5
0-75 mph (sec.) 8.7
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 14.2 @ 99.1

No wonder Autoblog mentioned new 3.8l V6 being better choice overall than 5.0R

GSteg

iTrader: (15)

Wow that's disappointing if that's the best it can do. My old GS400 matches those numbers and it's has slightly less than 300hp.

Love the look of the car, but I wouldn't buy it myself if it's just going to be as slow as my car.

Lexuslvr91

How's it going everyone I'm new to this site.

The Genesis V6 was clocked from 0-60 in 5.9 seconds as recorded by Motortrend: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/specs.html

Also the Genesis 4.6 was clocked from 0-60 in 5.3 seconds as recorded by Car and Driver: http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...f7ee8008de.pdf

I have no doubt the new 333 hp V6 and 8-speed auto will allow the Genesis V6 to go from 0-60 in around 5.5 seconds which would make it about as fast as the GS350, 535i and A6 3.0T.

Lexuslvr91

The Genesis R-spec is a 4100 lb fullsize and the IS-F is a 3800 lb sub-compact. In other words they do not compete even if both have RWD, 5.0 V8s, 400+ hp and 8-speed automatics.

Lexuslvr91

The Genesis's tail lights are a reflection of the original 2008 Genesis Sedan Concept:

IS350jet

Hyundai Accents, Nissan Versa's, and Toyota Yaris's are subcompacts. ISF is a Mid-size.

Lexuslvr91

As classified by the EPA the 2012 Accent is a compact, the Versa is a midsize and the Lexus IS in all iterations is a sub-compact. You can do a very quick search on google.com if you doubt me.

GSteg

iTrader: (15)

Yea the definitions have changed over the year. Your full size cars back then are now practically subcompacts next to these newer cars.

IS350jet

Yea I did, and just as I stated, subcompact means "smaller than a compact".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subcompact_car

spwolf

those two like to get bestest numbers around... i suggest you look at insideline data.
Of course, you can always show for the best result ever.