Are you the new Toyota Yaris? (Facelift pics Page 24)
08-11-11, 07:40 AM
#331
The problem with making the Yaris or the Corolla super fuel efficient is that it might compete with the Prius. If you have the Yaris and Corolla both at around like 45mpg, drives better, handles better, cheaper and faster, people might give up the slight fuel advantage and not get a Prius. Once the next gen Prius comes out, I think there will be an improvement in powertrain and mileage in the smaller cars.
Pure $$$$$$$.
In any case, you can check fueleconomy.gov to see real life mpg of drivers and notice that both Yaris and Corolla are if not top, very close to the top of their class, while "40 MPG" Elantra for instance, manages to get less mpg than Corolla.
Prius on the other hand, is built for efficiency, so there is no way Corolla can do better than it.
08-11-11, 09:58 AM
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The problem with making the Yaris or the Corolla super fuel efficient is that it might compete with the Prius. If you have the Yaris and Corolla both at around like 45mpg, drives better, handles better, cheaper and faster, people might give up the slight fuel advantage and not get a Prius. Once the next gen Prius comes out, I think there will be an improvement in powertrain and mileage in the smaller cars.
not at all... problem with them being more efficient in the US, is the price of that efficiency.
Pure $$$$$$$.
In any case, you can check fueleconomy.gov to see real life mpg of drivers and notice that both Yaris and Corolla are if not top, very close to the top of their class, while "40 MPG" Elantra for instance, manages to get less mpg than Corolla.
Prius on the other hand, is built for efficiency, so there is no way Corolla can do better than it.
Pure $$$$$$$.
In any case, you can check fueleconomy.gov to see real life mpg of drivers and notice that both Yaris and Corolla are if not top, very close to the top of their class, while "40 MPG" Elantra for instance, manages to get less mpg than Corolla.
Prius on the other hand, is built for efficiency, so there is no way Corolla can do better than it.
The problem with the Yaris -- especially the current-generation sedan model -- is possible overlap with the Corolla. When shopping for my Corolla last year, I compared the Corolla with the Yaris sedan. The Corolla offered more (which is expected) but at very little price difference: more room, more features and a larger modern engine that offered just about the same fuel efficiency as the Yaris. If the Yaris were offered in North America with the Corolla engine, Toyota may just forget about selling any because it would simply be a loss-leader for the Corolla. The shopper would get a larger, almost as fuel-efficient car for only a little more money buying a Corolla; AND the dealer would get more profit too.
A more efficient engine and transmission in the Yaris may be attractive, but the higher North American price required to cover the costs of the more modern technology may not be attractive, again in comparison with the Corolla. Toyota is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
08-11-11, 10:27 AM
#333
I keep hearing that Americans are very price-sensitive, especially with smaller cars: they expect the smaller the car, the smaller the price, which is very difficult to do. Americans also want larger, more-powerful engines (and are less sensitive to higher fuel consumption). So Toyota has no choice but to offer the older technology, and larger, less efficient engines, to keep the price of the Yaris down.
The problem with the Yaris -- especially the current-generation sedan model -- is possible overlap with the Corolla. When shopping for my Corolla last year, I compared the Corolla with the Yaris sedan. The Corolla offered more (which is expected) but at very little price difference: more room, more features and a larger modern engine that offered just about the same fuel efficiency as the Yaris. If the Yaris were offered in North America with the Corolla engine, Toyota may just forget about selling any because it would simply be a loss-leader for the Corolla. The shopper would get a larger, almost as fuel-efficient car for only a little more money buying a Corolla; AND the dealer would get more profit too.
A more efficient engine and transmission in the Yaris may be attractive, but the higher North American price required to cover the costs of the more modern technology may not be attractive, again in comparison with the Corolla. Toyota is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
The problem with the Yaris -- especially the current-generation sedan model -- is possible overlap with the Corolla. When shopping for my Corolla last year, I compared the Corolla with the Yaris sedan. The Corolla offered more (which is expected) but at very little price difference: more room, more features and a larger modern engine that offered just about the same fuel efficiency as the Yaris. If the Yaris were offered in North America with the Corolla engine, Toyota may just forget about selling any because it would simply be a loss-leader for the Corolla. The shopper would get a larger, almost as fuel-efficient car for only a little more money buying a Corolla; AND the dealer would get more profit too.
A more efficient engine and transmission in the Yaris may be attractive, but the higher North American price required to cover the costs of the more modern technology may not be attractive, again in comparison with the Corolla. Toyota is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
... what happened? Crisis hit... Toyota's were priced more than 5 speed VW's, Ford's and Opels and their sales dropped by 30%.
At the end, especially in the times of recession, very few buyers cared about Valvematic and 6 speeds, they went for cheaper cars with >10 year old engines.
So sometimes whats better is relative.
08-13-11, 02:21 AM
#334
Frankly, I was under the impression that there was an agreement between Mexico and Brazil, but I just double-checked and it's still in the talks and negotiations stage.
On the other hand, it's worth noting that, since I wrote that article, the Mazda plant in Mexico is confirmed as going forward, and there are also reports that the next-gen Honda Fit (Jazz) will be built in Mexico as well (see http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...cho-en-mexico/ )
On the other hand, it's worth noting that, since I wrote that article, the Mazda plant in Mexico is confirmed as going forward, and there are also reports that the next-gen Honda Fit (Jazz) will be built in Mexico as well (see http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...cho-en-mexico/ )
:-)
08-13-11, 10:45 AM
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as we discussed before, problem is that they import it from Japan and it is expensive.
Otherwise Yaris has high tech engines in Europe, not to mention upcoming Yaris HSD.
08-24-11, 05:43 PM
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BTW, It's been confirmed by numerous sources that Toyota has dropped the Yaris sedan. 
Being a sedan owner, I think it's a mistake. I know many who would not go for a hatchback, so that's a lost sale.
Toyota looks like their trying to attract small sedan owners into the Corolla but many people don't want to spend the extra couple of grand and some believe the Corolla is too big.
It's particularly surprising because in a worldwide context, the Yaris sedan (AKA Vios/Belta) sells very well. Toyota will be leaving an important hole in their lineup that's been filled for a long time dating back to the Tercel. Toyota was the one that always offered a sub-compact sedan even when no one else did. Now, there's the Accent, Rio, Fiesta, Sonic, SX4 sedans.
A lot of people will simply go to those brands.
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Being a sedan owner, I think it's a mistake. I know many who would not go for a hatchback, so that's a lost sale.
Toyota looks like their trying to attract small sedan owners into the Corolla but many people don't want to spend the extra couple of grand and some believe the Corolla is too big.
It's particularly surprising because in a worldwide context, the Yaris sedan (AKA Vios/Belta) sells very well. Toyota will be leaving an important hole in their lineup that's been filled for a long time dating back to the Tercel. Toyota was the one that always offered a sub-compact sedan even when no one else did. Now, there's the Accent, Rio, Fiesta, Sonic, SX4 sedans.
A lot of people will simply go to those brands.
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08-25-11, 04:51 AM
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BTW, It's been confirmed by numerous sources that Toyota has dropped the Yaris sedan.
Being a sedan owner, I think it's a mistake. I know many who would not go for a hatchback, so that's a lost sale.
Toyota looks like their trying to attract small sedan owners into the Corolla but many people don't want to spend the extra couple of grand and some believe the Corolla is too big.
It's particularly surprising because in a worldwide context, the Yaris sedan (AKA Vios/Belta) sells very well. Toyota will be leaving an important hole in their lineup that's been filled for a long time dating back to the Tercel. Toyota was the one that always offered a sub-compact sedan even when no one else did. Now, there's the Accent, Rio, Fiesta, Sonic, SX4 sedans.
A lot of people will simply go to those brands.
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Being a sedan owner, I think it's a mistake. I know many who would not go for a hatchback, so that's a lost sale.
Toyota looks like their trying to attract small sedan owners into the Corolla but many people don't want to spend the extra couple of grand and some believe the Corolla is too big.
It's particularly surprising because in a worldwide context, the Yaris sedan (AKA Vios/Belta) sells very well. Toyota will be leaving an important hole in their lineup that's been filled for a long time dating back to the Tercel. Toyota was the one that always offered a sub-compact sedan even when no one else did. Now, there's the Accent, Rio, Fiesta, Sonic, SX4 sedans.
A lot of people will simply go to those brands.
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Toyota is also in no way kidding themselves with the possible sales - they set the goal of 2k/month, same as current model and much less than competition.
08-25-11, 05:26 AM
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BTW, It's been confirmed by numerous sources that Toyota has dropped the Yaris sedan.
It's particularly surprising because in a worldwide context, the Yaris sedan (AKA Vios/Belta) sells very well. Toyota will be leaving an important hole in their lineup that's been filled for a long time dating back to the Tercel. Toyota was the one that always offered a sub-compact sedan even when no one else did. Now, there's the Accent, Rio, Fiesta, Sonic, SX4 sedans.
A lot of people will simply go to those brands.
It's particularly surprising because in a worldwide context, the Yaris sedan (AKA Vios/Belta) sells very well. Toyota will be leaving an important hole in their lineup that's been filled for a long time dating back to the Tercel. Toyota was the one that always offered a sub-compact sedan even when no one else did. Now, there's the Accent, Rio, Fiesta, Sonic, SX4 sedans.
A lot of people will simply go to those brands.
08-25-11, 06:15 AM
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Keep in mind that the sedan version of the new 3rd-gen Yaris hasn't been revealed yet anywhere in the world. Once it is, perhaps it will return to North America as a 2013 model, to battle all those entry-level sedans you mention above. Or maybe Toyota will just borrow from the Honda and Mazda playbook and adopt a hatchback-only North American strategy for the B-segment.
I don't know about anyone else, but I see at least 2 Yaris sedans for every one hatch I see.
08-25-11, 06:45 AM
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I've been waiting almost a year for the sedan since the hatch surfaced last October. I was thinking it would eventually come, around now with the new Camry. It is now confirmed though, that Toyota will not be building a sub-compact sedan at all, not even for foreign markets. This is crazy considering they built them when they were unpopular, and now when sub-compacts are at their height of popularity, they're pulling the plug.
I don't know about anyone else, but I see at least 2 Yaris sedans for every one hatch I see.
I don't know about anyone else, but I see at least 2 Yaris sedans for every one hatch I see.
Toyota Vios is sold around the world and will be most certainly updated within next 2 years.
I was thinking they might import it from Thailand.
08-25-11, 06:54 AM
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it has certainly not been confirmed :-). Of course Toyota will build Yaris based sedan for wolrd markets - Corolla and Camry are luxury vehicles in most of the world.
Toyota Vios is sold around the world and will be most certainly updated within next 2 years.
I was thinking they might import it from Thailand.
Toyota Vios is sold around the world and will be most certainly updated within next 2 years.
I was thinking they might import it from Thailand.
The Vios/Belts are very popular worldwide, even as cabs. Would be Toyota's biggest mistake - ever, perhaps.
08-25-11, 08:09 AM
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I hope you're right, but I've read numerous reports of journalists directly asking Toyota about it and they were told that they wanted to focus on the hatch as it was chosen 70% of the time (not from what I see). They said they would no longer be offering a sedan alternative. They said nothing of a delay. Wouldn't make much sense to delay it years when the two cars are based on each other.
The Vios/Belts are very popular worldwide, even as cabs. Would be Toyota's biggest mistake - ever, perhaps.
The Vios/Belts are very popular worldwide, even as cabs. Would be Toyota's biggest mistake - ever, perhaps.
Vios was just updated for 2012MY a month ago, it is not going anywhere, they sell tons of them in Asian countries where Toyota has 40% market share (except for China).
08-25-11, 08:17 AM
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Tt's true that the new Hyundai Accent (roughly in the same class/price-range) uses a 6-speed auto, but Hyundai traditionally has lower production costs then Toyota. Ford, though, found a way to use a twin-clutch 6-speed automanual in the Fiesta.
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