MM Review: 2011 Lexus CT200h
03-15-11, 07:02 AM
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Mike,
Great review once again! I like that Lexus stepped a bit out of the box in terms of the handling with the CT (based on the reviews of it cornering rather flat etc). Hopefully this continues with the soon to be relaesed GS & IS.
side note,
I too would like a review from you of the GX460 being an owner of a 2010 4runner(platform sibling). I have considered it to someday replace my 4runner, maybe a used one.
Thanks,
Brandon
Great review once again! I like that Lexus stepped a bit out of the box in terms of the handling with the CT (based on the reviews of it cornering rather flat etc). Hopefully this continues with the soon to be relaesed GS & IS.
side note,
I too would like a review from you of the GX460 being an owner of a 2010 4runner(platform sibling). I have considered it to someday replace my 4runner, maybe a used one.
Thanks,
Brandon
03-15-11, 07:30 AM
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I haven't really disagreed with either of you that much. Some, though not all, of what you said was true, but highway MPG figures are not meaningless. And, on the highway, even though it's true that, as you say, you don't live at 55 MPH, it is still possible to get more than the EPA figure, though it is more-difficult to do it in stop-and-go driving. I can easily outdo the EPA highway figure myself, with my own Outback....on my last longish trip, I did 3 MPG better (31 MPG vs. 28).
Where parallel-hybrids, like I said in my last post, really shine is in the city, where they often get better then in rural areas or in cruise-mode, but this has to be balanced against the hybrid's substantially greater cost.
Where parallel-hybrids, like I said in my last post, really shine is in the city, where they often get better then in rural areas or in cruise-mode, but this has to be balanced against the hybrid's substantially greater cost.
03-15-11, 09:23 AM
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But you can get 60-70 MPG in Prius too, easily.... however thats not what average people will get. On average, they get around 48MPG according to fuelgov.org... just like Elantra drivers get 29mpg, Corolla drivers 32mpg.
So yeah, I think that if you advertise only highway mileage, you are deceiving the public as average Joe will not get anywhere close to those numbers... this is why combined rating exists and mix in the combined rating is adjusted for the general USA driving patterns (for instance mix in EU combined between highway/city is different).
03-15-11, 09:36 AM
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Sonata and CTh have nothing to do with each other at all, and Sonata is not on sale yet. You could have put Ford Fusion Hybrid in there for instance, but what does that have to do with small premium luxury hatchback, I have no idea.
CT200h is small luxury premium hatchback with sporty drive and good mileage. As such it compares to 1 series, A3, etc.
I am not sure why is that so hard to understand - I do get that it is rather new class in USA, but so what, be of open mind, you are car enthusiast, it should be that out of box thinking :-)
03-15-11, 09:59 AM
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I am eager to see how this plays out.
I question whether people who are very concerned about gas prices (tight wallets)...... will go out and buy a $35000 hatchback.
kind of defeating the purpose, if you're tight on cash in the first place.
people who can afford to buy a luxury car should not be overly concerned about gas prices.
I question whether people who are very concerned about gas prices (tight wallets)...... will go out and buy a $35000 hatchback.
kind of defeating the purpose, if you're tight on cash in the first place.
people who can afford to buy a luxury car should not be overly concerned about gas prices.
And if i had the money to buy another Lux car after my IS, i doubt i would opt for a CT then as well.
BTW, great review MM! You are one of several on here that keep me coming back to this forum everyday
03-15-11, 10:12 AM
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Very informative review. Thank you for taking the time and effort to share this with us. I really appreciate the detail and the way you back up your opinions with observations.
This may not be true, at least for Lexus buyers. I suspect one of the reasons we buy Lexus is because we see the brand as good value for money. A vehicle that has better MPG has better value for money. Regardless of how much we may have available to spend it does not mean we want to waste it.
This may not be true, at least for Lexus buyers. I suspect one of the reasons we buy Lexus is because we see the brand as good value for money. A vehicle that has better MPG has better value for money. Regardless of how much we may have available to spend it does not mean we want to waste it.
03-15-11, 10:33 AM
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I question whether people who are very concerned about gas prices (tight wallets)...... will go out and buy a $35000 hatchback.
kind of defeating the purpose, if you're tight on cash in the first place.
people who can afford to buy a luxury car should not be overly concerned about gas prices.
kind of defeating the purpose, if you're tight on cash in the first place.
people who can afford to buy a luxury car should not be overly concerned about gas prices.
) and 1 series sold 864. i expect CT sales to be somewhere in between.
I am not sure why is that so hard to understand - I do get that it is rather new class in USA, but so what, be of open mind, you are car enthusiast, it should be that out of box thinking :-)
03-15-11, 10:40 AM
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03-15-11, 11:49 AM
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03-15-11, 11:56 AM
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Are you talking about the review's verdict at the end? I tried to summarize, in a couple of paragraphs, why I didn't think it should have been marketed as a Lexus, and was (probably) better-suited as a Toyota.
03-15-11, 12:00 PM
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I agree, though, with your statement......Lexus should have done an HS hatchback instead, and let the CT be a Toyota.
03-15-11, 12:06 PM
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