Five machines mechanics hate, five cars mechanics love
01-24-11, 08:30 AM
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Five machines mechanics hate, five cars mechanics love
01-24-11, 08:38 AM
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That article and list is complete crap to add to my initial post.
It is the opposite a rational person would expect out of a list like this.
So they LOVE the cars that come in for service because they generate revenue? How about asking real mechanics how much they HATE working on German cars? That list is a disaster.
Dealerships and independent repair shops LOVE those cars because they're obviously good for business, being so unreliable. Mechanics hate them.
It is the opposite a rational person would expect out of a list like this.
So they LOVE the cars that come in for service because they generate revenue? How about asking real mechanics how much they HATE working on German cars? That list is a disaster.
Dealerships and independent repair shops LOVE those cars because they're obviously good for business, being so unreliable. Mechanics hate them.
01-24-11, 08:46 AM
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Here you go. I copied the luxury brands explanations. Crazy but Jaguar in EVO/CAR/Top Gear in long term tests has been horrid. 
They constantly complain about issues and the XKR-R is not working and the XJ had the windshield wiper fly off in the rain!
I think yall are confusing it. Mechanics LOVE those cars b/c they get paid to fix them whereas with the hate list, they never see them and can't make any money on repairs.
Mechanics love
Mini Cooper
BMW 135
E-class coupe
Audi A6 3.0t
Jaguar XF
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Consumer Reports dependability rating: 143 per cent below average
The Jaguar XF is the biggest loser here, scoring nearly 2.5 times worse than the average in the Consumer Reports rankings. The Jag's scores suffered because of substantial transmission, drive line and electrical problems. It also scored poorly in the body integrity (noise) and power equipment categories. While the XF does not represent a big chunk of the market - only a few hundred are expected to be sold this year in Canada - its poor showing is sure to get shop owners licking their chops.
Mechanics hate
Toyota Yaris
Scion xD
Honda Fit
Honda CR-V
Lexus LX 570
They constantly complain about issues and the XKR-R is not working and the XJ had the windshield wiper fly off in the rain!I think yall are confusing it. Mechanics LOVE those cars b/c they get paid to fix them whereas with the hate list, they never see them and can't make any money on repairs.
Mechanics love
Mini Cooper
BMW 135
Consumer Reports dependability rating: 100 per cent below average
The red flag for the BMW 1 Series is the fuel system. In fact, all BMWs with the 3.0-liter twin-turbo inline-six scored poorly. The 135i earned its twice-the-average score by also having electrical, brake and body problems. Eugene Lee, who works at SP Engineering, a repair shop in Southern California, leased a BMW with the twin-turbo six and had to make four trips to the dealership to have a fuel-pump switch replaced while it was under warranty. That is three trips too many, in his opinion.
The red flag for the BMW 1 Series is the fuel system. In fact, all BMWs with the 3.0-liter twin-turbo inline-six scored poorly. The 135i earned its twice-the-average score by also having electrical, brake and body problems. Eugene Lee, who works at SP Engineering, a repair shop in Southern California, leased a BMW with the twin-turbo six and had to make four trips to the dealership to have a fuel-pump switch replaced while it was under warranty. That is three trips too many, in his opinion.
Consumer Reports dependability rating: 100 per cent below average
The Mercedes-Benz E-Class Coupe was hurt by poor showings in the engine fuel system, body hardware/fit and power equipment categories of the Consumer Reports survey. And it had a whopping 50 service bulletins in Hansville Repair's database. For comparison, the dependable Toyota Yaris had nine, most of them for pre-sale dealership procedures, touch-up paint, squeaks and tire pressure.
The Mercedes-Benz E-Class Coupe was hurt by poor showings in the engine fuel system, body hardware/fit and power equipment categories of the Consumer Reports survey. And it had a whopping 50 service bulletins in Hansville Repair's database. For comparison, the dependable Toyota Yaris had nine, most of them for pre-sale dealership procedures, touch-up paint, squeaks and tire pressure.
Consumer Reports dependability ratings: 142 per cent below average
The Audi A6 3.0T suffered in the engine cooling categories, scored poorly in the body and power equipment categories of the Consumer Reports survey, and ended up a scant one per centage point from rock bottom. "Cars in trouble have the potential to stay in trouble," says Allen Otto of Hansville Repair, a small, rural repair shop in Washington state's Puget Sound region, "which is good for independent European specialty shops that have the proprietary tools to make money on the repairs. The more high-end and exclusive the car, the more high-end, exclusive and expensive the repair."
The Audi A6 3.0T suffered in the engine cooling categories, scored poorly in the body and power equipment categories of the Consumer Reports survey, and ended up a scant one per centage point from rock bottom. "Cars in trouble have the potential to stay in trouble," says Allen Otto of Hansville Repair, a small, rural repair shop in Washington state's Puget Sound region, "which is good for independent European specialty shops that have the proprietary tools to make money on the repairs. The more high-end and exclusive the car, the more high-end, exclusive and expensive the repair."
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Consumer Reports dependability rating: 143 per cent below average
The Jaguar XF is the biggest loser here, scoring nearly 2.5 times worse than the average in the Consumer Reports rankings. The Jag's scores suffered because of substantial transmission, drive line and electrical problems. It also scored poorly in the body integrity (noise) and power equipment categories. While the XF does not represent a big chunk of the market - only a few hundred are expected to be sold this year in Canada - its poor showing is sure to get shop owners licking their chops.
Mechanics hate
Toyota Yaris
Scion xD
Honda Fit
Honda CR-V
Lexus LX 570
Consumer Reports dependability rating: 60 per cent above average
When it comes to luxury SUVs, the Lexus LX 570 has only 40 per cent of the problems experienced by other vehicles. It has the advantage of Toyota's tradition of reliability coupled with the higher expectations inherent in the Lexus brand. Jotech's Tran says the overall attention to detail from design to the production line, and the use of tried-and-proven component systems are the reasons this Lexus is the scourge of wrenches far and wide.
When it comes to luxury SUVs, the Lexus LX 570 has only 40 per cent of the problems experienced by other vehicles. It has the advantage of Toyota's tradition of reliability coupled with the higher expectations inherent in the Lexus brand. Jotech's Tran says the overall attention to detail from design to the production line, and the use of tried-and-proven component systems are the reasons this Lexus is the scourge of wrenches far and wide.
01-24-11, 09:00 AM
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A interesting article, but probably doesn't tell us much more of what we already know about auto reliability. The most reliable cars are relatively simple Japanese designs (except for the complex LX570, and the most unreliable are upmarket, European-designs. European designs also often have unreliable or defect-prone electrical components and wiring.
01-24-11, 09:06 AM
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the use of tried-and-proven component systems are the reasons this Lexus is the scourge of wrenches far and wide.
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01-24-11, 01:07 PM
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I can vouch for mechanic's hatred for the Toyota Yaris. Yesterday, I passed 100,000 miles on my S sedan and the car has had nothing but oil changes done. Everything looks, runs, drives, and feels like new. I feel that it's the most trouble free car in history, in part due to its simplicity.
Some may also remember the Yaris that did well over 400,000 miles with nothing but an alternator replacement.
Here's my dash...
Some may also remember the Yaris that did well over 400,000 miles with nothing but an alternator replacement.
Here's my dash...
01-24-11, 02:03 PM
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As a former tech with Lexus, Audi, jaguar and Nissan, I can say I loved the Japanese cars because they were a money maker. All we had to do was regular maintenance which paid reall well. It's e German cars we hate because they are so hard to work on that we always lost money on them. Give me timing belt services on Lexus cars all day long!
01-24-11, 05:09 PM
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As a former tech with Lexus, Audi, jaguar and Nissan, I can say I loved the Japanese cars because they were a money maker. All we had to do was regular maintenance which paid reall well. It's e German cars we hate because they are so hard to work on that we always lost money on them. Give me timing belt services on Lexus cars all day long!